I am for his Second Amendment rights but thats a good way to start a panic and it will get someone hurt or killed.
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Man walks into Kroger with AR15 FTW
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The fact that it scares the hell out of people shows that second amendment supporters in this country have been lazy and that many, many more law abiding citizens should be open carrying their firearms rather than hiding them. The idea that seeing a gun should incite fear in the populace is ridiculous.
... unless he brandished it and swept it around, simply carrying it wouldnt be either...
and thinking that is even REMOTELY ok to do to someone carrying legally is EXACTLY how the libtards want you to react.
if they charged everyone who carried for doing that, then theyd be able to stop ALL OF US from open carrying anywhere, because a libtard might get scared.
Until the people are desensitized to seeing guns in the hands of citizens that aren't using them for evil it will ALWAYS start a panic. In Las Vegas a guy was shot to death by police waiting outside because his shirt pulled up over is concealed gun in a shopco .... people NEED to be trained that a person carrying a gun does not mean an evil criminal.
how do you desensitize them WITHOUT carrying? see the catch22?
That was my whole point ... I'm advocating open carry here .... On a HUGE scale rather than as a corner case.
Also here is a link to the costco shooting I was talking about ....
His shirt pulled up and someone saw the gun ... the guy told the manager he'd be done and leave in a few minutes and everyone was satisfied
but the idiot loss prevention officer called the police who asked for the store to be evacuated .... the guy didn't know any better so he was evacuating with everyone
else when someone yelled "that's him" as he was coming out of the building and the police shot him.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/cops-gun-down-man-for-legally-carrying-firearm/
A Costco employee saw the holstered sidearm and told Scott he was not allowed to have the weapon in the store. Scott replied that he had a permit and the right to carry his weapon. He then went back to shopping. The employee called over a manager, who informed a 20-something security guard, who made a 911 call to police.
We do not know precisely what was said in that important call, because the police have refused to release it. We do, however, know from police radio traffic picked up by a scanner that the guard had told police that Erik Scott was armed with a gun, was acting aggressively and erratically, and that he may have been under the influence of drugs.
It must have been a frightening tale: over a dozen police officers responded, along with a helicopter, ambulance, and competing incident command teams.
As the police began to form a massive perimeter outside, Costco managers began evacuating the entire store without apparently explaining why to anyone. As Scott and his girlfriend exited the store he was identified to police officers, who were waiting with guns drawn outside the front door.
A blog from Erik’s family described what happened next:
Erik turned to find three officers facing him, guns drawn, and all three shouting different commands: “Get on the ground!” “Drop your weapon!” “Keep your hands up!” Erik held his hands up, spoke calmly, told them he DID have a concealed firearm and a legal CCW and was an ex-Army officer. His girlfriend was screaming about Erik being a West Point grad, former Army officer, etc. Erik leaned to his left, hands still up, to expose the pistol, and repeated, “I am disarming; I am disarming.” Witnesses say he started to lower his right hand, palm OUT, perhaps intending to remove holster and gun together - but never got the hand below his shoulder, when one of the cops (believed to be William Mosher, who had committed a fatal shooting in 2006) shot Erik in the chest with a .45-caliber semi-automatic weapon. Erik dropped to his knees, clearly in shock, his face a picture of disbelief. He was shot a second time and collapsed. The rest is ugly. The three officers unloaded again, firing a total of seven hollow-point rounds. At least four, possibly five, hit Erik in the back, after he was on the ground and dying.
Two experts hired by Scott’s family examined his body. They claim that of the seven .45 ACP hollowpoint bullets fired into Scott’s body, one was fired through his armpit, suggesting his arm was raised at the time. Four remaining shots were fired into his back. There were no exit wounds, making it all but impossible for police to claim that investigators misread through-and-through wounds.
A concealed carry execution.
Also here is a link to the costco shooting I was talking about ....
His shirt pulled up and someone saw the gun ... the guy told the manager he'd be done and leave in a few minutes and everyone was satisfied
but the idiot loss prevention officer called the police who asked for the store to be evacuated .... the guy didn't know any better so he was evacuating with everyone
else when someone yelled "that's him" as he was coming out of the building and the police shot him.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/cops-gun-down-man-for-legally-carrying-firearm/
A Costco employee saw the holstered sidearm and told Scott he was not allowed to have the weapon in the store. Scott replied that he had a permit and the right to carry his weapon. He then went back to shopping. The employee called over a manager, who informed a 20-something security guard, who made a 911 call to police.
We do not know precisely what was said in that important call, because the police have refused to release it. We do, however, know from police radio traffic picked up by a scanner that the guard had told police that Erik Scott was armed with a gun, was acting aggressively and erratically, and that he may have been under the influence of drugs.
It must have been a frightening tale: over a dozen police officers responded, along with a helicopter, ambulance, and competing incident command teams.
As the police began to form a massive perimeter outside, Costco managers began evacuating the entire store without apparently explaining why to anyone. As Scott and his girlfriend exited the store he was identified to police officers, who were waiting with guns drawn outside the front door.
A blog from Erik’s family described what happened next:
Erik turned to find three officers facing him, guns drawn, and all three shouting different commands: “Get on the ground!” “Drop your weapon!” “Keep your hands up!” Erik held his hands up, spoke calmly, told them he DID have a concealed firearm and a legal CCW and was an ex-Army officer. His girlfriend was screaming about Erik being a West Point grad, former Army officer, etc. Erik leaned to his left, hands still up, to expose the pistol, and repeated, “I am disarming; I am disarming.” Witnesses say he started to lower his right hand, palm OUT, perhaps intending to remove holster and gun together - but never got the hand below his shoulder, when one of the cops (believed to be William Mosher, who had committed a fatal shooting in 2006) shot Erik in the chest with a .45-caliber semi-automatic weapon. Erik dropped to his knees, clearly in shock, his face a picture of disbelief. He was shot a second time and collapsed. The rest is ugly. The three officers unloaded again, firing a total of seven hollow-point rounds. At least four, possibly five, hit Erik in the back, after he was on the ground and dying.
Two experts hired by Scott’s family examined his body. They claim that of the seven .45 ACP hollowpoint bullets fired into Scott’s body, one was fired through his armpit, suggesting his arm was raised at the time. Four remaining shots were fired into his back. There were no exit wounds, making it all but impossible for police to claim that investigators misread through-and-through wounds.
A concealed carry execution.
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You don't have the right to use someone else's store to make your demonstration.
There's a difference between having it and carrying it into a family environment, with the given shootings lately this does not help our cause, people don't want to see this. Its like your stash of porn and sex toys, you can have them, people know you have them, but they don't want to see you walking around with a strap-on attached to your trousers.
This makes me sick
Not like there have been lots of press about homicidal maniacs walking into crowded places and indiscriminately shooting innocent people, right? You have the right to free speech, but yelling something to create a panic is against other people's rights.
Remember, your right to do ANYTHING stops at someones else's rights.
There is no doubt that he knew this kind of action would cause a panic/near panic. I doubt anyone here would say if is OK to to walk into Kroger with a large knife out in his hands. Most people would accept that as an act of aggression, some on here would suggest that they could have acted in self defense at the perceived threat...
Remember, your right to do ANYTHING stops at someones else's rights.
There is no doubt that he knew this kind of action would cause a panic/near panic. I doubt anyone here would say if is OK to to walk into Kroger with a large knife out in his hands. Most people would accept that as an act of aggression, some on here would suggest that they could have acted in self defense at the perceived threat...
