More media BS... Now it's NFA Trusts!!!!

[bluesman2a]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/gun-trusts-legal-loophole-report-002821658.html

The concern among gun enthusiasts that certain types of guns could be outlawed or further restricted in the future has led some to seek out gun trusts.The New York Times reports that gun trusts are intended to allow the owner of a firearm to pass down his or her weapons to family members in a responsible way. But a loophole in the federal law has other benefits, some of them potentially troubling to gun control advocates.
The Times explains that when trust members buy "restricted firearms through a trust," they are exempt from rules that would apply to individual buyers. Things like "being fingerprinted, obtaining the approval of a chief local law enforcement officer and undergoing a background check" are not required.
Christopher Dorner, the former Los Angeles police officer who went on a killing spree before being killed in a cabin in Southern California, used a gun trust to obtain silencers and a shotgun. The Times notes that Dorner was not a felon at the time of his acquiring the weapons and would have likely passed a background check.
Mike Campbell, a spokesman with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms told the Times that his agency is aware of the loophole. The ATF is "reviewing changes to close it, " he told the paper.
A simple search on 'gun trusts' yields dozens of law sites on the subject.

What a bunch of CRAP!!! They start off with "The New York Times reports that gun trusts are intended to allow the owner of a firearm to pass down his or her weapons to family members in a responsible way." -- Right, we should get RIGHT on that problem, cause who would want to pass down a suppressor to his widow, without making her an instant felon? Insanity I say!

So by having a trust they make it sound like you just pop over to the gun store and whistle out with a new SBS or suppressor. Doesn't mention the fact that there's STILL a 6 month wait and a ATF background check. Yeah, real big loophole there!!!

We then go on to say the insane cop had an NFA trust... But did he USE any of those items in his spree?

 

[ga_trucklvr]

We then go on to say the insane cop had an NFA trust... But did he USE any of those items in his spree?

Does not matter if he used them or not........not the fault of having a trust. The man clearly had mental issues that he was not dealing with. Whether he used the NFA items or not, the GUNS or the TRUST were not the issue.

 

[bluesman2a]

Does not matter if he used them or not........not the fault of having a trust. The man clearly had mental issues that he was not dealing with. Whether he used the NFA items or not, the GUNS or the TRUST were not the issue.

Agreed. and more-over, would having been fingerprinted and having sign-off from CLEO, have stopped anything in that case? Not likely. It's not closing a loophole, but rather another impediment to go through to put NFA items further from the grasp of the common man.

 

[Quiet Riot Firearms]

That article is blatantly lying, but what do you expect.

The ATF is still doing background checks on trusts. Do you they really think that in 2013, the FBI HAS to have fingerprints to run a background check?

 

[bwysong]

What bothers me is the BATF trying to close the "loop hole"

 

[batoncolle]

What bothers me is the BATF trying to close the "loop hole"

There really is no loophole. As QRF stated they are doing background checks. There is a reason why these things take forever to process besides the fact that the average government employee takes 32.5 breaks each day. Also if you put a prohibited person on a trust this would already be a crime.

And finally this is the same ATF that illegally sold firearms via Fast Furious that resulted in the deaths of at least 1 American and hundreds of Mexicans.

 

[atl3695]

The ATF does NOT do backgrounds on trusts. Who would they do the background on? Trust doesn't have fingerprints or criminal record to check. This is one of the few case where media gets it halfway right.

Although its just following a law and not a loophole, anyone who plans on using a trust better do it ASAP. Most dealers do a NICS check on the firearm/silencer (waived if you have carry license), but it is not required by law.

 

[gatorglenn]

Where do you get your information? Do you think the ATF/FBI cannot do a backgound check fron the information listed in the trust? Name and address plus a phone number.

The ATF does NOT do backgrounds on trusts. Who would they do the background on? Trust doesn't have fingerprints or criminal record to check. This is one of the few case where media gets it halfway right.

Although its just following a law and not a loophole, anyone who plans on using a trust better do it ASAP. Most dealers do a NICS check on the firearm/silencer (waived if you have carry license), but it is not required by law.

 

[atl3695]

Where do you get your information? Do you think the ATF/FBI cannot do a backgound check fron the information listed in the trust? Name and address plus a phone number.

Who would they background. Grantor? Beneficiary? Trustee? In addition, a prohibited person can be the trustee of a gun trust, they just can't be in possession of the weapon. So even if the trustee came back with a record (which they won't as Atf doesn't check), it wouldn't make the trust ineligible to own a class 3 weapon.

You may find it hard to believe that background check isn't done, but it is the truth. But most dealers run NICS to cover themselves, so the background check is the same as buying any other firearm. Just as it should be.

 

[gatorglenn]

Well if they are not doing a background check tell them to go ahead and approve mine.