ODT After 05/20 - A question for Okuma

[User170512]

It's nothing like the brace rule, the brace rule was a complete reversal of their previous position and tons of opinion letters. A complete 180.

Honestly, everything I've seen on this is what I already believed to be the case, basically a bunch of opinion letters and unwritten rules that are now written rules.

It's Not a good thing, it's definitely them sending a message they'r more interested in ****ing with us hobbyist then going after actual criminal and gang activity and I definitely have zero trust in the ATF or Biden administration, but ultimately it's a big nothing burger. Before this rule the ATF could accuse you of being a dealer at anytime and for any reason, after this rule it's the same thing.

And I wouldn't take sparky's words to heart, it's just his opinion, a little abrasive but we're all big boys here.

I think the important thing to remember is they think "us hobbyists" are the criminals and they want every sale run through their systems.

 

[Rougarou]

On a fun and lighter note I spoke with a friend that is Kennesaw police yesterday and now felons are legal to own guns because it was against the Constitution to restrict felons from owning guns to protect themselves with, so you can take that law for what it's worth it goes in a completely different direction as the newly amended and clarified being a dealer rule but on the bright side if anyone gets jailed for dealing guns without a license and becomes a felon it will not effect you from legally owning a firearm.
So it goes to show the rules going into effect have nothing to do with keeping guns away from criminals it's all about government control nothing more.

 

[TrueGrit]

The definition of a gun flipper should worry everyone who sells a gun. None of the 3 letter government agencies are our friends.

 

[spencer60]

On a fun and lighter note I spoke with a friend that is Kennesaw police yesterday and now felons are legal to own guns because it was against the Constitution to restrict felons from owning guns to protect themselves with, so you can take that law for what it's worth it goes in a completely different direction as the newly amended and clarified being a dealer rule but on the bright side if anyone gets jailed for dealing guns without a license and becomes a felon it will not effect you from legally owning a firearm.
So it goes to show the rules going into effect have nothing to do with keeping guns away from criminals it's all about government control nothing more.

The felon ruling was a single ruling in the 9th Circuit that a non-violent felony should not removes someone's 2nd Amendment rights.

We'll see how SCOTUS decides Rahmi, and if they decide violent 'prohibited persons' (in this case domestic violence restraining order) are still able to have guns.

Even with both those, violent felons are still prohibited persons, and the 9th ruling only effects their jurisdiction.

It's also completely different than the ATF rule, since all the 'felon' laws were actual laws passed, not rule-making by an administrative agency.

That being said, you're not wrong on the end-goal.

 

[Spas-12 Owner]

Unpopular opinion:

If a person has been convicted of ANY felony, and is done with the criminal justice system ( served their time, and has completed their parole) they absolutely should have ALL thier rights restored including firearm ownership.

After all, if they are too dangerous to own a gun, they are too dangerous to be free.

 

[spencer60]

Unpopular opinion:

If a person has been convicted of ANY felony, and is done with the criminal justice system ( served their time, and has completed their parole) they absolutely should have ALL thier rights restored including firearm ownership.

After all, if they are too dangerous to own a gun, they are too dangerous to be free.

Yup, agree 100%. If we had a legal system that worked and kept the small percentage of violent, repeat offenders off the streets we wouldn't need legislation like this.

 

[Gunanddoglover]

Unpopular opinion:

If a person has been convicted of ANY felony, and is done with the criminal justice system ( served their time, and has completed their parole) they absolutely should have ALL thier rights restored including firearm ownership.

After all, if they are too dangerous to own a gun, they are too dangerous to be free.

I agree 100%.

 

[palmettomoon]

Flip, flip, flippity flippers freakout!

 

[Asbestos]

Unpopular opinion:

If a person has been convicted of ANY felony, and is done with the criminal justice system ( served their time, and has completed their parole) they absolutely should have ALL thier rights restored including firearm ownership.

After all, if they are too dangerous to own a gun, they are too dangerous to be free.

Not unpopular here

 

[BIKER13]

Not unpopular here

absolutely