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Red dots on pistols

Again, go back and look at the pics I posted. A red dot DOES take the place of irons in certain situations.

I have different needs than you do, and that’s ok. But what do I know, it “only matters what you think” right?

PREFACE: I now folks don’t like to read long things these days as the ready maybe short sighted and have the attention span of a gold fish however, please read all below and don’t rush to commando keyboarding. Please put some though into what you reply with.

1). RDO’s never take the place of BUIS. They compliment the rig in its entirety. The BUIS serves as a secondary independent sighting systems organic to the firearm. One is not nor should purposefully be slaved to the other. Should your RDO and BUIS line up that way after zeroing, it is what it is.

2). Nobody is saying Triji’s are junk. They are a good system with flaws as all systems have flaws.

3). [mention]Mr. Booshie [/mention] , everyone here is allowed to have an opinion however when “internet commandos” (Not mentioning any names) come through and only pitch what works for them and pimp only expensive products to say anything less than a 500-800.00 optic is trash or is Subpar/ Substandard, it makes one think.

4). Don’t take offense unless there is something to take offense to.

5). I get playing on golf course ranges and having fun in comps, that’s pretty cool however one must take into consideration as your doing all of this and “Training” to be better as your craft, correct? BTW, what is your craft? If not, what is one honing skills for? Is it to play a game or is it to enhance your capability as a shooter enabling you to conduct target discrimination and take shots in times of need most would not take potentially and particularly under stressful conditions.

6). I would like to understand the bigger dick thing and bring up/ out all the bravado BS... What’s the end-game? Is it to pimp products for certain companies/ kickbacks perhaps trying to get a Job/ career position with an organization? Is there really a need for all the chest pumping and bumping?????

7). The OP is in a learning mode like most of us should be and to say anyone has nothing to learn about what they are doing for fun or profession indicates that that person has reached and or achieved a level of superiority that would never be overcome by anyone, any situation weather in a training scenario, or as real world threat presents itself.

8). Everybody should be in a learning mode all the time, TTP’s are ever-changing as well as courses of fire/ perceived threats within those courses of fire as well as real world training as well as real word scenarios. All Real world scenarios and shooters capability limitations are best understood when conducting force on force and the sceneries are not gamed... This is where one truly learns what works and what doesn’t work as far as Movement/ Maneuver, TTP development and implementation.

9). To say that “A red dot DOES take the place of irons in certain situations” is highly inaccurate and absolutely WRONG. In zero cases does a RDO take the place of BUIS in anything other than golf course shooting games as you must be so concerned with the weight of your tool to give you that much more of a perceived edge over your opponents (see next paragraph “10” with *). To suggest such a thing otherwise is absolutely irresponsible and make me question what’s carried if a weapon is carried for EDC.

10). * Let’s say in your case, your running a course of fire you boast about and your RDO goes down and you do not have BUIS installed on your slide, what do you rely on IOT finish your course of fire? This same logic applies to EDC and something happens and you respond as a citizen to an IMMEDIATE and eminent threat potentially constituting life or death actions . You have no BUIS and your RDO is down... What do you do? One wold like to know/ understand “I have different needs than you do” and what those needs entail.

11). Engage a threat(s) with zero Percision due to not having sights working or installed and zeroed?
Remember, YOUR RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERY PROJECTILE THAT LEAVES THE MUZZLE OF YOUR FIREARM.
SHOULD A ROUND STRIKE, MAME/ KILL AN INNOCENT BYSTANDER, YOUR POSSIBLY SUBJECTED TO CHARGES OF AND NOT LIMITED TO MANSLAUGHTER 1/2 OR POSSIBLY PREMEDITATION KNOWING YOU DON’T HAVE SIGHTS (BUIS) INSTALLED SHOULD THAT PERSON PASS DUE TO NEGLIGENCE.

12). Tons of variables and what-ifs.... All what-ifs can be argued till one is blue in the face and is completely subjective until it actually happens and one is in the hot-seat answering for his or her dumbass/ negligent actions.

13). I’m curious as to what you and your buddy do for a profession with a show of proof/ credentials to ensure everyone is honest. Anything can be doctored, so provide 3 references for verification (proof) of all badassary..... if LEO’s, Swat, OGA please provide Department/ Chief or supervisor POC, etc not in relation to you. Please don’t say its “classified” as everyone will know what fraud/ stolen valor looks like.

14). What I’m getting at is be comfortable in your own skin and if you are that’s awesome. There is zero need to go through the Bigger Dick Contest (BDC) on this thread and not offer advise or sound advice/ TTP development using or how-too’s for the use of RDO’s on small caliber (semi-auto, Auto, Revolver or breach loading) hand guns.

15). * Before one argues small caliber- Anything less than a rifle caliber is considered a small arms caliber by the DoD and NIJ.

16). To help with this , here is (not complete) list of traditional-esk pistol calibers to be somewhat specific and not limited to what’s provided below:

17). .22, .380, 9mm, 10 mm, 38 SPCL, 38 Super, .357 sig, 357 mag, .40, .44 mag, .45

18). * Don’t come back with well and AR/ AK can be converted to a pistol so the 5.56, 6.8, 6.5 .308 and .50 cal are pistol rounds too... if this is going to be part of the argument then you might as well throw the DSHk 12.7mm automatic weapon round in there as well. I’m sure some moron could make a pistol for this caliber!

19). Anyways I have been sitting on this thread for a hot minute to respond and not say something I couldn’t or would want to take back.

20). I hope everyone has a wonderful evening/ morning and rests up with a good breakfast to start the day as I’m sure there will be some chest pounding with the Bigger Dick Contest (BDC) continuing soon.

21). Prepare yourselves for a good time when everyone wakes up. I can’t wait to see the responses after this, let the comments flow. BTW I have labeled everything with a number, when referencing something specific please refer to the number prior to what your referencing so EVERYONE is able to follow along for quick reference...

22). The is credibility in question here so choose words wisely. Think about what one says and how one conveys their message. Words have meaning and nobody will take anything out of context here.

23). All words written are meant as they are conveyed.

24). I’m gonna need a pot of coffee to watch this thread from now on... This is sure to get entertaining and I’m wondering how long it will take for the (Your stupid) or (your mom) childish comments to start flowing......

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Red dots are superior, and extremely accurate. I didn’t like them at first, but once I got adjusted, it’s hard to miss. They take practice like all things. Denying it is because you’re stubborn

They also show you just how unsteady you really are that you can’t pick up too well with irons


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There you go again. You keep reading only what you want to read and then twist some more to your liking.

Posted by Bulletslinger- is there a need to say the above? ^^^^^^^^

So, to be very direct. The Acog has run it's course. The Trijicon RMR is the most most tested and proven mrds currently on the market. It's ripe for an overtake though. Until something sealed come out and gets a decent track record, all mrds are ripe to be overthrown. Acro was close, but no cigar.

You are very much so correct.. everything has an application and what works well for one May or may not work or work well for another..

Everything has kinks and flaws, the key is to work within those kinks and flaws and hopefully train around them... Understanding shooter capabilities and limitations and knowing how far one is able to push themselves and their kit, commonly referred to as “gear” on this thread.

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Chris


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I'd be more embarrassed to admit I still use an ACOG in this day and age.
Bomb proof,ranging capability,great glass,forgiving eye relief(on my TA33) 3X;usable in low light;Tell us Gilligan, just how antiquated the very sight our Marine Corps. is using,plus a # of other entities,is out performed by a LPVO(low powered variable optic)?I guess since some higher end LPVO cost more than ACOG'S now,they will automatically be better eh?But then Recoil Magazine will soon advertise a newer and even more costly optics product soon enough,and all the cool kids will run to it.Then new threads will appear,exclaiming what a game changer it is,and how overnight it dates all the kit the Fudds use.Those that "know",will laugh understanding that the kit these guys are pissing on ,full potential was never utilized or understood completely before they abandoned it.Running to the next latest and greatest.In a way Fudds should be thankful,its a way to get good gear without having to pay retail,while watching the cool kids chase their tale fawning over the next new widget.
 
Bomb proof,ranging capability,great glass,forgiving eye relief(on my TA33) 3X;usable in low light;Tell us Gilligan, just how antiquated the very sight our Marine Corps. is using,plus a # of other entities,is out performed by a LPVO(low powered variable optic)?I guess since some higher end LPVO cost more than ACOG'S now,they will automatically be better eh?But then Recoil Magazine will soon advertise a newer and even more costly optics product soon enough,and all the cool kids will run to it.Then new threads will appear,exclaiming what a game changer it is,and how overnight it dates all the kit the Fudds use.Those that "know",will laugh understanding that the kit these guys are pissing on ,full potential was never utilized or understood completely before they abandoned it.Running to the next latest and greatest.In a way Fudds should be thankful,its a way to get good gear without having to pay retail,while watching the cool kids chase their tale fawning over the next new widget.
Lots of LPVOs are bombproof. Razor HDII/III, Nightforce, Trijicon, schmidt and bender, Khales. Glass quality is typically as good or better, and way better eye relief. You must be 5'4 if you think the ACOG has good eye relief.

I don't know why you insist on putting words in people's mouths and bringing up recoil. I think you're the only one here that actually reads that magazine here is you given how much you know what they're talking about. Also just because the MUHREENS use something doesn't mean it's the best, let alone good. Army's phasing out ACOGs in favor of LPVOs and you just know muhreens will be following suit.
 
PREFACE: I now folks don’t like to read long things these days as the ready maybe short sighted and have the attention span of a gold fish however, please read all below and don’t rush to commando keyboarding. Please put some though into what you reply with.

1). RDO’s never take the place of BUIS. They compliment the rig in its entirety. The BUIS serves as a secondary independent sighting systems organic to the firearm. One is not nor should purposefully be slaved to the other. Should your RDO and BUIS line up that way after zeroing, it is what it is.

2). Nobody is saying Triji’s are junk. They are a good system with flaws as all systems have flaws.

3). [mention]Mr. Booshie [/mention] , everyone here is allowed to have an opinion however when “internet commandos” (Not mentioning any names) come through and only pitch what works for them and pimp only expensive products to say anything less than a 500-800.00 optic is trash or is Subpar/ Substandard, it makes one think.

4). Don’t take offense unless there is something to take offense to.

5). I get playing on golf course ranges and having fun in comps, that’s pretty cool however one must take into consideration as your doing all of this and “Training” to be better as your craft, correct? BTW, what is your craft? If not, what is one honing skills for? Is it to play a game or is it to enhance your capability as a shooter enabling you to conduct target discrimination and take shots in times of need most would not take potentially and particularly under stressful conditions.

6). I would like to understand the bigger dick thing and bring up/ out all the bravado BS... What’s the end-game? Is it to pimp products for certain companies/ kickbacks perhaps trying to get a Job/ career position with an organization? Is there really a need for all the chest pumping and bumping?????

7). The OP is in a learning mode like most of us should be and to say anyone has nothing to learn about what they are doing for fun or profession indicates that that person has reached and or achieved a level of superiority that would never be overcome by anyone, any situation weather in a training scenario, or as real world threat presents itself.

8). Everybody should be in a learning mode all the time, TTP’s are ever-changing as well as courses of fire/ perceived threats within those courses of fire as well as real world training as well as real word scenarios. All Real world scenarios and shooters capability limitations are best understood when conducting force on force and the sceneries are not gamed... This is where one truly learns what works and what doesn’t work as far as Movement/ Maneuver, TTP development and implementation.

9). To say that “A red dot DOES take the place of irons in certain situations” is highly inaccurate and absolutely WRONG. In zero cases does a RDO take the place of BUIS in anything other than golf course shooting games as you must be so concerned with the weight of your tool to give you that much more of a perceived edge over your opponents (see next paragraph “10” with *). To suggest such a thing otherwise is absolutely irresponsible and make me question what’s carried if a weapon is carried for EDC.

10). * Let’s say in your case, your running a course of fire you boast about and your RDO goes down and you do not have BUIS installed on your slide, what do you rely on IOT finish your course of fire? This same logic applies to EDC and something happens and you respond as a citizen to an IMMEDIATE and eminent threat potentially constituting life or death actions . You have no BUIS and your RDO is down... What do you do? One wold like to know/ understand “I have different needs than you do” and what those needs entail.

11). Engage a threat(s) with zero Percision due to not having sights working or installed and zeroed?
Remember, YOUR RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERY PROJECTILE THAT LEAVES THE MUZZLE OF YOUR FIREARM.
SHOULD A ROUND STRIKE, MAME/ KILL AN INNOCENT BYSTANDER, YOUR POSSIBLY SUBJECTED TO CHARGES OF AND NOT LIMITED TO MANSLAUGHTER 1/2 OR POSSIBLY PREMEDITATION KNOWING YOU DON’T HAVE SIGHTS (BUIS) INSTALLED SHOULD THAT PERSON PASS DUE TO NEGLIGENCE.

12). Tons of variables and what-ifs.... All what-ifs can be argued till one is blue in the face and is completely subjective until it actually happens and one is in the hot-seat answering for his or her dumbass/ negligent actions.

13). I’m curious as to what you and your buddy do for a profession with a show of proof/ credentials to ensure everyone is honest. Anything can be doctored, so provide 3 references for verification (proof) of all badassary..... if LEO’s, Swat, OGA please provide Department/ Chief or supervisor POC, etc not in relation to you. Please don’t say its “classified” as everyone will know what fraud/ stolen valor looks like.

14). What I’m getting at is be comfortable in your own skin and if you are that’s awesome. There is zero need to go through the Bigger Dick Contest (BDC) on this thread and not offer advise or sound advice/ TTP development using or how-too’s for the use of RDO’s on small caliber (semi-auto, Auto, Revolver or breach loading) hand guns.

15). * Before one argues small caliber- Anything less than a rifle caliber is considered a small arms caliber by the DoD and NIJ.

16). To help with this , here is (not complete) list of traditional-esk pistol calibers to be somewhat specific and not limited to what’s provided below:

17). .22, .380, 9mm, 10 mm, 38 SPCL, 38 Super, .357 sig, 357 mag, .40, .44 mag, .45

18). * Don’t come back with well and AR/ AK can be converted to a pistol so the 5.56, 6.8, 6.5 .308 and .50 cal are pistol rounds too... if this is going to be part of the argument then you might as well throw the DSHk 12.7mm automatic weapon round in there as well. I’m sure some moron could make a pistol for this caliber!

19). Anyways I have been sitting on this thread for a hot minute to respond and not say something I couldn’t or would want to take back.

20). I hope everyone has a wonderful evening/ morning and rests up with a good breakfast to start the day as I’m sure there will be some chest pounding with the Bigger Dick Contest (BDC) continuing soon.

21). Prepare yourselves for a good time when everyone wakes up. I can’t wait to see the responses after this, let the comments flow. BTW I have labeled everything with a number, when referencing something specific please refer to the number prior to what your referencing so EVERYONE is able to follow along for quick reference...

22). The is credibility in question here so choose words wisely. Think about what one says and how one conveys their message. Words have meaning and nobody will take anything out of context here.

23). All words written are meant as they are conveyed.

24). I’m gonna need a pot of coffee to watch this thread from now on... This is sure to get entertaining and I’m wondering how long it will take for the (Your stupid) or (your mom) childish comments to start flowing......

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Have those too again...I dont need to one up everyone on my gear versus their gear...Im not trying to convince myself and others how much of a badass operator I am

First it was this...then you find out I run the same gear...

Then it turns into this....but some how Im reading what I want to see and twisting it to fit my narrative.Now its "there is better gear than that"You guys are definitely the target market for Recoil Magazine...all the latest and greatest gear to help you become all the operator you can be....Jeez
WTF are you talking about? To think that the current mrd's on the market don't have intrinsic pitfalls is a joke. That said, the RMR is the best of what we have until there is a proven sealed sight. I have not contradicted myself on that the entire time. But you still want to twist things.
 
WTF are you talking about? To think that the current mrd's on the market don't have intrinsic pitfalls is a joke. That said, the RMR is the best of what we have until there is a proven sealed sight. I have not contradicted myself on that the entire time. But you still want to twist things.
Keep quiet you recoil magazine reading tool. You know not of what you speak.
 
Lots of LPVOs are bombproof. Razor HDII/III, Nightforce, Trijicon, schmidt and bender, Khales. Glass quality is typically as good or better, and way better eye relief. You must be 5'4 if you think the ACOG has good eye relief.

I don't know why you insist on putting words in people's mouths and bringing up recoil. I think you're the only one here that actually reads that magazine here is you given how much you know what they're talking about. Also just because the MUHREENS use something doesn't mean it's the best, let alone good. Army's phasing out ACOGs in favor of LPVOs and you just know muhreens will be following suit.
First off the TA33 I mentioned and have,has 4" eye relief so your rebuttal is flat out WRONG!!...and second you and your buds are informing all us Fudds on what's best....I wouldnt go there because its subjective.Regurgitating whats in the latest marketing magazines about the BRANDS of costly LPVO'S is what you do.Ill love to see the face and hear the comments of a grizzled gunny Marine that has real world experience with what you think of his optics.So do you got any useable correct thoughts on the topic or do you just want to continue throwing insults and tantrums?
 
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