So, I guess showing respect for the court has gone to hell in a handbasket

[Indirect Fire]

Scam, scam, scam....recorders court or for traffic violations. It's a business shared with for profit probation companies, volunteer organizations, 501 (3) (C), that rely on "community service" to function, and pseudo-professionals that bill substantially for assessments for this that and the other. Mine said "he did the right, thing nothing else recommended". **** Gwinnett Co and any other scamming PD and court systems.

After 25 years with no tickets I was disgusted to see where we have gone with this stuff (and no not a DUI)

 

[mfoster]

Back in late 70s you had to go to court in Bibb county,with any hunting offense,the clerk at desk would not let you in unless you were in proper attire.

 

[baxterday]

Follow the dollar. Why is speeding or any traffic violation still a criminal offense in the penal colony known to us as the State of Georgia? The county or city and now the state are draining you of your hard earned money. I know, "if you don't want to pay the fine, just don't speed". Moving violation tickets have become big business for not only government, but the private sector as well. We have a whole cottage industry built up around dui and speeding tickets. This is why our ancestors left England in the first place, tyrannical government.

 

[Spiderman11]

Follow the dollar. Why is speeding or any traffic violation still a criminal offense in the penal colony known to us as the State of Georgia? The county or city and now the state are draining you of your hard earned money. I know, "if you don't want to pay the fine, just don't speed". Moving violation tickets have become big business for not only government, but the private sector as well. We have a whole cottage industry built up around dui and speeding tickets. This is why our ancestors left England in the first place, tyrannical government.

Serious question .... What do you suggest the penalty is then? Or no penalty and everyone just drive as fast as they deem they can? . . . people will not change behavior without some fear of some consequence . . .

 

[Bulljacket]

I show up in a suit for my traffic ticket at Gwinnett Recorder's Court today. Me and one other guy have suits on. The ****ing judge comes out with dreads and a purple robe. WTF? I thought I was going to court in Gwinnett, not Mogadishu.

It really is a shame to see any judge dressed that way.IMO
If you want to fit in just follow the link below and you can have dreads to match the judge, but according to the link you have to prepare your mind for dreads first. Don't forget to post pics after you get them.
http://www.dreadheadhq.com/prepare-your-mind-for-dreadlocks

 

[Bulljacket]

Serious question .... What do you suggest the penalty is then? Or no penalty and everyone just drive as fast as they deem they can? . . . people will not change behavior without some fear of some consequence . . .

100% agree

 

[Bulljacket]

The state won't know about it, I don't get any points, my insurance doesn't go up

So now you can do it again! Next time though don't complain when the state does find out, you get points, and your insurance goes up. That's only fair.

 

[Indirect Fire]

Serious question .... What do you suggest the penalty is then? Or no penalty and everyone just drive as fast as they deem they can? . . . people will not change behavior without some fear of some consequence . . .

There should be penalties, in my case I was not speeding BUT, there should should not be a cottage industry build around these offenses by private corporations that previously lobbied the government in order to secure "their piece of the pie". That is a scam. While I am not speaking of a DUI in my case, just look around every sleazy (and sometimes not so) shopping centers for the "DUI School". That did not happen because the state thought it was a great idea...it was lobbied for by private business. I'm sure that little payout has stopped plenty of habitual offenders, or driver safety "awareness" or the most egregious of all PRIVATE recorders court "probation companies" that bill the county for every visit anyone makes to their facility.

The government should be in the fining and probation business no one else, or you create an incentive to roll in the traffic "offenders" to pay off all the folks that lobbied government, and then there are the 501 (C) (3)'s that operate with a skeleton staff but depend on the courts to provide free labor via "Community Service". I had to do a very small amount of community service and my jaw dropped when 35 people showed up for the orientation and when I reported in to do the "service" in a massive warehouse there were TWO full time employees and roughly 15 "volunteers" running the day to day operations. No free labor from the county ....no business to "help the needy"

I don't speed and I don't drink and drive but from my reading on the topic and a brief personal experience it's a complete ****ing scam. I am an older dude that had two tickets before joining the military decades ago that I had to get "waivers for" "Careless Driving" Fine $10 and I moved on with my life. Plenty of people change behavior without "fear or consequence" that is the company line.

Not on probation for a traffic ticket but did the research while fighting it. Scam, scam, scam.

AND of course there are those who deserve everything they get....

 

[baxterday]

Serious question .... What do you suggest the penalty is then? Or no penalty and everyone just drive as fast as they deem they can? . . . people will not change behavior without some fear of some consequence . . .

People are not changing their behavior with the ridiculous fines either, or the courts wouldn't be in business. I simply think the fines are too high, in many cases a speeding fine is a week or two of pay for some poor bloke. I don't speed or drive drunk either, but DUI fines and penalties are out of control also. Do you know, that a dui conviction is the only conviction in the penal state of GA that you can not have expunged? From the mandatory bonds to the mandatory jail time at arrest are wrong and unconstitutional. Punishment even before being convicted if you even are. Bond is to guarantee your appearance in court, not punish you to the max for an accusation. The "presumption of impairment" is nuts, but makes it easy on a prosecutor.

 

[araomd]

Times change, people change.
Judges in this country used to wear powdered wigs too. Every man in this country used to wear a hat in public.

I worry far more about other problems in our judicial system than what the judges are wearing.