What if HR.8 Passes

[zesty]

Shall. Not. Be. Infringed.

It is not the purview of the FedGod to regulate intrastate transfers of private property or contracts.

I agree... but to be honest, I think it's ok to regulate what arms can be privately owned.

If you want to really go down the rabbit hole then it would be possible for there to be private armies with tanks and war planes. I have watched to many movies too think it's a good idea for Google (or some corporation) to have an army. Serious. If you allow private citizens to have tanks it'd be tough to stop private entities to have them in mass.

 

[dakatl]

dakatl and all...

I'll be honest, there is convincing evidence that UBC, registration, etc actually does decrease gun crime, violent crime fatalities, and suicides.

I look forward to the open discussion of this here. Please provide more information as to how 'registration' actually decreases 'gun violence' .

 

[dakatl]

I agree... but to be honest, I think it's ok to regulate what arms can be privately owned.

If you want to really go down the rabbit hole then it would be possible for there to be private armies with tanks and war planes. I have watched to many movies too think it's a good idea for Google (or some corporation) to have an army. Serious. If you allow private citizens to have tanks it'd be tough to stop private entities to have them in mass.

You are actually supporting my original post and concern with your statement.

 

[palmettomoon]

I think we just need more laws and lawyers. That will fix everything and I can finally be safe. Why do you hate children and puppies?

This nation could definitely use more lawyers and lawmakers.

 

[Fatal_Bert]

I'll just thump my hairy chest and scream "... COME AND TAKE THEM"
or "... FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!"


'Murica !!!

It sure beats patting your pussy and constantly bragging about how you're a loyal servant of the state.

 

[zesty]

I look forward to the open discussion of this here. Please provide more information as to how 'registration' actually decreases 'gun violence' .

Let me just say I really honestly appreciate how you put that. I love debating this stuff but hate when it deteriorates to name calling and whatnot.

Trying to be concise I stated "UBC, registration, etc". What I meant was generally more strict gun control. Really, the best examples also includes confiscation. So, basically, I was wrong as I stated it. It's not the registration, but it's the strict regulation and exclusion of some firearms that produces results. Look at heavily controlled countries and they do have some better safety stats. I'll leave it at that for now because it gets complicated fast, lol.

You are actually supporting my original post and concern with your statement.

I don't know but in your post that I quoted you stated "...absolutely nothing...". That's the part that I disagree with. It's not nothing. It's something. I do agree that it's not enough to be worthwhile though.

Again, there's strong evidence that those individual measures don't do much. It's the compilation of strict gun control that does produce some results though.

Again, Again, I do not support any gun control, especially any more than what we have right now. I'm just saying the arguments are not as clear cut as people portray them. The F'd up thing is that BOTH sides understand this to some degree. The GOP puts out plenty of garbage as pro-2A. As far as politics go, both sides just use the 2A as a means to fire up their base and get votes. It's sad.

 

[dakatl]

It its quite appreciable to debate this here in a platform that may have polarizing points of view, this in mine and perhaps your intentions as well.
I do not approach this topic with easiness. I , as many of those here have family's for which they must provide and protect. It is with great attention that I, and I assume many here as well, take great concern regarding current situations and conditions that might provoke a sense of perseverance for ones unalienable rights.

Where have we heard that before ?

 

[BEREZKA]

**** the crown

 

[Tony2X]

Some people kept on selling person to person and, as far as I know, nobody was ever arrested for it because it's functionally unenforceable. Feds aren't running sting operations on single gun sales and local PD doesn't give a rat's ass.

 

[spencer60]

dakatl and all...

I'll be honest, there is convincing evidence that UBC, registration, etc actually does decrease gun crime, violent crime fatalities, and suicides. It's not conclusive by any means, but it's arguable at least. I think it's a disservice to our side of the debate to not admit that the other side has some acceptable basis for their points.

I just don't think those relatively small statistical improvements to safety outweigh the importance of the purpose of the 2nd amendment.

Let me be clear on what I think that purpose is also... I don't think it means that we have the ability to overthrow the government. It just means that individuals have the ability to get the ability to overthrow the government. We don't get tanks and canons and whatnot. We do get the tools necessary to procure some tanks and whatnot if it came to that. Generally, we have the tools necessary for a SHTF type situation, whatever the cause may be. We are not 100% dependent and at the mercy of the government. (maybe 80-90% but definitely not 100%, lol)

Actually, there is little to no correlation between 'gun crimes' committed in a state and how 'strict' the laws are.

I would suggest going through the site below since I'm sure you are getting this information from some of the studies this criminologist pokes holes in.

http://www.gunfacts.info/

A common sense question will give you the answer though. What is the safest state in the US, and what are it's gun laws?

Year after year that state is Vermont, and until a few years ago, they literally had NO state gun laws unless they were required by the feds. Today the only laws they have are a 15 round mag limit of I remember correctly.