Coronavirus Pandemic (many threads merged)

[Hayata]

Is it just me but it seemed like the media was covering it before it was even a thing.

And I agree, they love to incite panic among the peoples.

It will be interesting to see how it affects Chinese exports. If the world started banning import of their goods I'm guessing it would throw the country into a major recession/depression. That may trigger the rest of the world's economies to follow suit.

I heard Russia closed their Chinese borders. No idea how much China exports to Russia.

 

[Trailrider]

Here are the facts.....

R0 of 2.5 (means every 1 sick person will infect 2.5 new people on average. Do the math 2.5^2.5 and so on.)
Mortality of over 3%
2 week asymptomatic, contagious(assumed and most likely) incubation period.

It is in every Asian country, Phillipines, Japan, Austrailia, France, Russia, North Africa, Germany, and North America. The first case was December 1st. So, that how far it spread in less than 2 months. A mortality rate of 3% is higher than the Spanish flu that killed millions of people world wide. And we are fighting it with modern medical care.

China is actively clamping down on any reports aside from government sanctioned responses from effected areas. There are over 40 million people in 5 Chinese cities under quarantine. Good luck containing 40 million people. Meanwhile they started building a 1000 bed hospital at the epicenter of the outbreak to be completed in 10 days. 10 days. A whole hospital.

The US is routing all travelers from the effected areas through 5 US airports of which Atl is one. Today, there is a whole plane load of refugees from the effected epicenter landing at the Atlanta airport.

There are no effective antivirals or vaccines for this family of corona virus. It is a new family of corona virus which is why it is called a "novel" corona virus.

You can deny this has the potential to be a serious issue all you want but everything I have listed is a fact. Not supposition. Not rumor. And those are the best case facts if you want to take the Chinese government's, and other governments, word for it.

Now, that being said, I do not believe it will be as drastic here in the first world. I think it will hit africa and Asia hard. But, it would be good to be prepared to quarantine you and yours at your house for just a period of time. 2 months maybe? Just in case. Cant hurt. I don't think we will have to deal with lack of utilities or anything like that. Just some facts with my 2 cents added. If you don't want to be prepared for something mother nature has thrown at us repeatedly every couple hundred years for all of history that's fine. But it's a matter of when not if even if this one doesnt end up being as bad as it certainly has the potential to be. And we have over 7.5 trillion people on earth so if you want you and yours to be some of the fat that's trimmed more power to ya.

Coming back to update this with links for you folks.....
https://www.foxnews.com/health/us-health-officials-on-coronavirus-outbreak

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/27/technology/china-coronavirus-censorship-social-media.html

https://oftwominds.cloudhostedresources.com/?url=https://www.oftwominds.com/blogjan20/questions-coronavirus1-20.html&width=412

I don't think anybody is denying the fact that it's a bad virus. But, every time something like this comes up the media makes it out to be an end of the world scenario. Same thing they did a few years ago with the Ebola outbreak that petered out, or when the SARS outbreak happened two decades ago. Basically the sky is always falling. It effects the economy, the stock market, etc, etc. So it makes you wonder if it's really as bad as they say or are there other factors at play here. Plus with modern medicine it's hard to say it would have the same deadly effects of the Spanish Flu. Like I mentioned in the thread earlier, the common flu averages 400k deaths a year and nobody bats an eye at it. Hell most folks here wont' even get a flu shot but suddenly we need to stock up on supplies and ammo for the coronavirus.

 

[lostchild]

The Chinese just don’t want to admit that this virus escaped from their bio-warfare lab in Wuhan.
Not a big deal, our folks lose stuff too.
But one day... hopefully not today... a super bug will get away from one of the world powers’ labs. People get sloppy, make mistakes. Our own vaunted CDC has had their share.

 

[WinstonSmith]

Between Pandemic on Netflix and WinstonSmith I'm officially biting my nails ..... scary ****. On that show they keep saying it's not a matter of if, but when the next big Pandemic hits.

Watch the movie contagion. Pretty realistic very similar scenario.

 

[WinstonSmith]

I don't think anybody is denying the fact that it's a bad virus. But, every time something like this comes up the media makes it out to be an end of the world scenario. Same thing they did a few years ago with the Ebola outbreak that petered out, or when the SARS outbreak happened two decades ago. Basically the sky is always falling. It effects the economy, the stock market, etc, etc. So it makes you wonder if it's really as bad as they say or are there other factors at play here. Plus with modern medicine it's hard to say it would have the same deadly effects of the Spanish Flu. Like I mentioned in the thread earlier, the common flu averages 400k deaths a year and nobody bats an eye at it. Hell most folks here wont' even get a flu shot but suddenly we need to stock up on supplies and ammo for the coronavirus.

Gov and media have to walk a fine line between informing too early/risking crying wolf and making too little of it/keeping people in the dark. And a lot of gov pressure due to effect on economy and risk of panic. Just play it safe. What does it really hurt to have an extra 2 months of shelf stable food like potatoes, flour, pancake mix, honey, sugar salt and canned food? Like it wont get eaten eventually anyway? Dont forget the TP. And even if you spend an extra 300 on groceries this month and nothing happens how bad would that really hurt if you ended up wasting all of it? Now compare that to having to go out among possibly infected populous bringing that crap back into the house with your family because you ran out of cereal or toilet paper. It's so easy just to have a minimal layer of "I dont have to leave my house for a month" extra stores it's a no brainer. Let the sheep perish if it comes to that. Which it probably wont. But, cant really hurt just to at least have some extra basic crap. Think like a snowflake will drop in Atl everyday for a month and you will just want to stay inside with the fam and watch movies without having to go to the store and prepare that way.

 

[Bear44]

I've read several times in this thread about how the media tries to exaggerate and sensationalize things like this. Unless you consider reporting on it at all to be doing this, I don't think I've ever seen these exaggerations. In fact, it may be the least sensational reporting they do.

 

[lostchild]

Gov and media have to walk a fine line between informing too early/risking crying wolf and making too little of it/keeping people in the dark. And a lot of gov pressure due to effect on economy and risk of panic. Just play it safe. What does it really hurt to have an extra 2 months of shelf stable food like potatoes, flour, pancake mix, honey, sugar salt and canned food? Like it wont get eaten eventually anyway? Dont forget the TP. And even if you spend an extra 300 on groceries this month and nothing happens how bad would that really hurt if you ended up wasting all of it? Now compare that to having to go out among possibly infected populous bringing that crap back into the house with your family because you ran out of cereal or toilet paper. It's so easy just to have a minimal layer of "I dont have to leave my house for a month" extra stores it's a no brainer. Let the sheep perish if it comes to that. Which it probably wont. But, cant really hurt just to at least have some extra basic crap. Think like a snowflake will drop in Atl everyday for a month and you will just want to stay inside with the fam and watch movies without having to go to the store and prepare that way.

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[WinstonSmith]

I've read several times in this thread about how the media tries to exaggerate and sensationalize things like this. Unless you consider reporting on it at all to be doing this, I don't think I've ever seen these exaggerations. In fact, it may be the least sensational reporting they do.

I think they are making far too little of it. And I think China in particular is going to great lengths to throttle accurate info on how bad it is there. For some dumb reason that only makes sense to Chinese gov.

 

[lostchild]

I think they are making far too little of it. And I think China in particular is going to great lengths to throttle accurate info on how bad it is there. For some dumb reason that only makes sense to Chinese gov.

Same reason they won’t let foreign pandemic experts in. Saving face. Not going to admit they’re in way over their heads.

 

[Trailrider]

I guess I'm just seeing this as a sky is falling scenario. The government and media did the same thing a few years ago with the Ebola outbreak when people that were exposed came to the US. IN fact the same rhetoric on this site back when that happened is happening in this thread. Even the post about infected refugees coming in. Same thing happened with the Ebola virus. Then it was contained and nothing happened. Same as when the SARS pandemic happened in '02. Same thing and it was contained with only 750 deaths worldwide. So again, neither of the last two big pandemic scares resulted in more deaths than the common flu does every year.

Of course I have preparations and supplies on hand for SHTF scenarios. But I'm not about to go hit up the Kroger for bread and milk over this. Not yet. I still think it's a bit too early to see.