House to house searches

[prevsrt4owner]

They would issue a warrant based on what? As they see fit with a terrorist in the area. I'm sure there were plenty of Liberals in the area, and they might harbor a terrorist, really. Cops can manipulate anything. When it comes down to it, they'll most likely get their way. More in numbers. Don't be so gullible.

Are you happy applying that standard to all of your rights? 1am on the side of the road and an officer asks to search your car. You can say "no" but you are OK with them using your "no" as reason for a search? Nope. A terrorist is on the run [in a car], and there is a roadblock ahead. The police are checking out vehicles. They do need that one person to hold up the potential capture of the subject. It would make me feel safer that they're doing a thorough job. I guess it depends on the situation (life or death). You won't know how to respond unless you've been in a similar situation. Not all cops are bad.

You are saying I should waive my rights based on others' opinion and fear? No. Fear is not part of the equation. Maybe you think it is.

The house to house searches found exactly jack ****. It was a citizen that noticed something wrong on his property.

Probably following protocol for the situation. Like I said, you probably won't know how you'll react until it happens to you. Always try to have a level/clear head, and also have a little self-control. You'll need that during SHTF.

 

[strider12]

I get the idea that those that believe the police would just barge in if you decline would be the ones doing that if they were LEO

 

[prevsrt4owner]

How would they get a warrant again? I'm not so worried about the type of image I portray to some officers to be willing to toss my rights out the window.

Serious question? If they suspect, or have any reason to search your residence, I'm almost positive it would be easily attained.
Dude, you're a Liberal, I cannot believe you don't agree with the reality/logic.

 

[Laufen]

Serious question? If they suspect, or have any reason to search your residence, I'm almost positive it would be easily attained.
Dude, you're a Liberal, I cannot believe you don't agree with the reality/logic.

The searches were an attempt to randomly locate a fugitive. There was no reason to suspect a specific house. There was no probable cause. There was no reason to let them search your residence or believe that if you didn't they would just ransack it anyway.

Please explain again for the class, which reality and logic I'm not agreeing with.

 

[captdave77]

They will be coming in that house.then stompin your ass into a mud hole for resisting so blow all that smoke the other way.You won't do **** but what they tell you to do.

You have no I idea what I would do and I doubt they are stomping anyone's ass with a news camera every three feet. I'm not saying anyone should attempt to stop an officer physically but a simple "there is no one here besides my family and I do not consent to search" should be sufficient.

 

[hikingthehills]

The searches were an attempt to randomly locate a fugitive. There was no reason to suspect a specific house. There was no probable cause. There was no reason to let them search your residence or believe that if you didn't they would just ransack it anyway.

Please explain again for the class, which reality and logic I'm not agreeing with.

I can agree with you on this!

 

[Petro_58]

Totally untrue. Your right are your rights regardless the mayhem caused by nature or a criminal.

What good are RIGHTS of they can be suspended!!???

I never would have guessed there would be so many people on here willing to ignore those pieces of paper that document our freedoms as Americans. Totally unbelievable.

Tell that to all the Katrina People that had their Guns taken away at Gun Point By National Guard Squads. Also a Declaration of Martial Law, Suspends all Constitional Rights. Maybe ya need to read up and look up some Factual occurances. I admit I don't Know it all. But there are things in the Patriot Act that go Against the NORMAL operation of things. Such as No Maranda and quite a few other things, some of these things were Covered on the News last night. You really need to be informed.
Also if Martial Law was Declared:

1. CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ARE ENDED-Under martial law, the U.S. Constitution is suspended and the citizens immediately lose all the protections, safeguards, and human rights guaranteed by that document. The citizens also lose every rights and privileges granted under The Bill of Rights. The constitutions of other countries will likewise be suspended with similar conditions imposed upon the citizens of those other countries.

2. CURFEW ENFORCEMENT-Anyone caught outside after curfew can be shot dead. There are no exceptions for personal emergencies unless of course, these people have some sort of official written permission or are in possession of other material which gives them a “Get Out Of Jail Free” card.

3. WRIT OF HABEUS CORPUS SUSPENDED-This means that soldiers can bust into your house, or arrest you on the street without warrants, and can throw you into prison without explanation or access to legal counsel. They can hold you there for months, even years, since there are no time limits imposed on how long you can be imprisoned.

4. PERSONAL FIREARMS WILL BE SEIZED-Armed forces can invade your home and force you to surrender any weapons you have, regardless of your constitutional right or need to bear arms for your self-defense. If you refuse, you could be shot dead in your living room, and all your possessions seized. If you’re lucky, you might just get Tasered, or butt-ended with an AK-47, to eventually wake up in a Federal Emergency Management Agency (F.E.M.A.) Detention Center with a Prison Identification Number which you will go by as a “name” instead of your old name, the one on your birth certificate.

5. PERSONAL PROPERTY CAN BE SEIZED-This means that under the excuse of “requisitioning”, soldiers can kick you out of your home, and seize both your home, all the contents inside that home, as well as any vehicles, or other items you have on your grounds. They also can claim the actual real estate of the acreage as well. If you refuse or resist in some way well….I guess you can fill in the blanks or use your imagination.

So Yes Your Rights Can Be Suspended.

 

[jlcnuke]

Totally untrue. Your right are your rights regardless the mayhem caused by nature or a criminal.

What good are RIGHTS of they can be suspended!!???

I never would have guessed there would be so many people on here willing to ignore those pieces of paper that document our freedoms as Americans. Totally unbelievable.

Rights can be suspended in this country. The Constitution even specifically mentions some of those cases. Additionally, the existence of rights does not mandate that those rights be exercised at all times. Sometimes it is better to be silent even though you have the right to speak, and sometimes it is better to allow a search even though you have the right to refuse it.

 

[Laufen]

Tell that to all the Katrina People that had their Guns taken away at Gun Point By National Guard Squads. Also a Declaration of Martial Law, Suspends all Constitional Rights. Maybe ya need to read up and look up some Factual occurances. I admit I don't Know it all. But there are things in the Patriot Act that go Against the NORMAL operation of things. Such as No Maranda and quite a few other things, some of these things were Covered on the News last night. You really need to be informed.
Also if Martial Law was Declared:

1. CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ARE ENDED-Under martial law, the U.S. Constitution is suspended and the citizens immediately lose all the protections, safeguards, and human rights guaranteed by that document. The citizens also lose every rights and privileges granted under The Bill of Rights. The constitutions of other countries will likewise be suspended with similar conditions imposed upon the citizens of those other countries.

2. CURFEW ENFORCEMENT-Anyone caught outside after curfew can be shot dead. There are no exceptions for personal emergencies unless of course, these people have some sort of official written permission or are in possession of other material which gives them a “Get Out Of Jail Free” card.

3. WRIT OF HABEUS CORPUS SUSPENDED-This means that soldiers can bust into your house, or arrest you on the street without warrants, and can throw you into prison without explanation or access to legal counsel. They can hold you there for months, even years, since there are no time limits imposed on how long you can be imprisoned.

4. PERSONAL FIREARMS WILL BE SEIZED-Armed forces can invade your home and force you to surrender any weapons you have, regardless of your constitutional right or need to bear arms for your self-defense. If you refuse, you could be shot dead in your living room, and all your possessions seized. If you’re lucky, you might just get Tasered, or butt-ended with an AK-47, to eventually wake up in a Federal Emergency Management Agency (F.E.M.A.) Detention Center with a Prison Identification Number which you will go by as a “name” instead of your old name, the one on your birth certificate.

5. PERSONAL PROPERTY CAN BE SEIZED-This means that under the excuse of “requisitioning”, soldiers can kick you out of your home, and seize both your home, all the contents inside that home, as well as any vehicles, or other items you have on your grounds. They also can claim the actual real estate of the acreage as well. If you refuse or resist in some way well….I guess you can fill in the blanks or use your imagination.

So yes these Rights Can Be Suspended.

Those violations were illegal.

 

[hikingthehills]

They were trying to change the law this year here in GA, not sure if it went through or not but you can be disarmed legally here in ga if where you are is declared a state of emergency. It is total BS but it can happen and don't think cant.