Licenses for Bicycles? Seriously?

[Aegis]

I know, that's why I said it. "The city" IS the property owners. I know you don't think like this but "the government pays" (apparently with 'magic dollars') has become all too common a reflex response and has polluted the thinking of too many Americans. It may be a stretch to you, but show/collector car hobbyist who put little or ZERO miles on their cars still have to register them. Unless you are a proponent of the building move to tax miles driven?

gas tax is supposed to be the answer to that, I pay a crapton more for my gas thats supposed to go towards the roads ....which is taxing based on miles driven.

I dont think a Zero mile driven car should be taxed or licensed or anything else.

as I said, Its ok to Tax X because theyre taxing Y is a fallacy.

 

[GeauxLSU]

The EPA wants to heavily tax any ammo that had lead in it. Then your day at the range or dove hunting would double or triple taxed. Any neew taxes just justifies MORE taxes. Why should my kid's bike be taxed just to ride in rural south GA? Other states make it a county option tax to support their bike lanes, etc. I will be damned if I am gonna pay for my kid to ride on my own land.

Huh? Where is this going to require you to pay a tax if they ride on your land?
I agree, it makes more sense for municipalities or counties to enact this independently even though the administration would be infinitely less efficient.

 

[batoncolle]

Was trying to stay out of this one but I can't....so here goes....

I am a cyclist of 30 years....AND A bike shop owner. I have been hit by cars 4 times, all times I was obeying traffic laws and it was not my fault....ONLY 1 DRIVER STOPPED...

I will not debate my rights to the road nor the ignorant stereotypes here....I will try to provide is a DIFFERENT PERSPECITVE.....one from the Lycra Clad Moron..


I often hear people argue about cyclist taking up the WHOLE ROAD
....so here is a different PERSPECTIVE if you care:

I try to ride about a Foot off the fog line when the road conditions support it. HOWEVER, if I am approaching a BLIND hill or curve I will move toward the oil line, thus taking up more road and slowing down motorist a few seconds. THE REASON I do this is because I have had cars try to pass me on a blind curve or hill only to be forced off the road when they meet an on coming car. If I am on the fog line, I have NO WHERE to go...so I ride "out" a bit for everyones safety... Between a cyclist, a car, and a ditch....The cyclist ALWAYS looses....always....

I do this to protect myself and ALSO the motorist behind me as well the motorist the may meet in oncoming traffic.....I've seen TOO many close calls and near misses.

Bike Lanes:
I was on a committee here locally and lobbied AGAINST bike lanes...primarily because they do cyclist NO good if they are not swept or maintained. Currently, our bikes lanes are littered with Gravel, glass, trash, and dead animals...so I ride in the roadway for my own "safety" and suffer the wrath of the denim clad morons trying to turn me gay by calling me names...

"You don't pay taxes you should be on the road"
Contrary to what seems to be popular belief, we do. I own 3 vehicles, 2 trailers, and own my own business. I pay a SH!7 Load of taxes...this argument does not deserve any more effort....just ignorance.


Admission of guilt
Will I, a cyclist occasionally hold you up? Yes, I can't go as fast as you. But damn, is a few seconds gonna break your day? I never get the animosity from motorist (which I also happen to be) but the fact is, road bikes are made to be ridden on the road. MOST of us avoid heavy traffic areas but there are times when we have to get through one congested area so we can get out ..... If I lived in the ATL area I would not ride road bikes..but I am blessed up here in God's Country and have lots of rural roads to ride.

Are there douchenozzles...absolutely, just like there are D!ck head gun owners....some people suck....there are some $hitty motorists out there as well...








I own Bear Creek Bikes in Dalton and most of those people ride out of my shop. I will talk with my riding community about giving as much room as safely possible...most people won't pull over...as we would be constantly pulling over to let cars by and never get any where...but I will relay your concerns onto them in a public format...in hopes of better public relations.

Yep spot on. Personally though I will take the bike lane. On the few we have locally, there are no trash issues. Although I know it is not much safer, it does give a little more distance to those drivers who refuse to obey the 3 foot rule.

 

[hamburglar3]

tax and license those bikers and they wont get in the cars way.

Hard to tell anything from the photo.

shadow and debris circled in red is before the bike scene. Could be a collateral accident.
blue line indicates how far from right edge bikes were traveling. No numbers on chests (that I can see) would indicate not a race/sanctioned event which would allow them to ride "wide". (I know this is most likely not GA - just applying our laws to picture)

Everyone who uses the road needs to:

Be more civil
Be more patient
Be more lawful

 

[Proximal]

The EPA wants to heavily tax any ammo that had lead in it. Then your day at the range or dove hunting would double or triple taxed. Any neew taxes just justifies MORE taxes. Why should my kid's bike be taxed just to ride in rural south GA? Other states make it a county option tax to support their bike lanes, etc. I will be damned if I am gonna pay for my kid to ride on my own land.

Although I do not ride a motorcycle anymore, I am licensed. Cars, motorcycles, etc., do damage to roads and therefore should be taxed - somehow. There should be NO tax on owning a car, house, etc. That is asinine. How can you possibly be taxed on something you own??? Anyway off the rant.

As I said if were guaranteed a bike lane, I would gladly pay a tax. I do not want to be out in that road next to some of the idiots that pass me on a car. But I ain't sitting at home on the couch either because I have no desire to be some fat lazy azz ranting about the guys in spandex - not referring to you of course.

This is what is in the bill.

(b) Any person purchasing or acquiring a bicycle shall register and obtain, or transfer, a
102 license plate to operate such bicycle upon streets with motor vehicle traffic from the county
103 tag agent in his or her county of residence no later than 30 days after the date of purchase
104 or acquisition of the bicycle.

Does that mean neighborhood streets? Probably not, but they should clarify that at some point. It doesn't say anything about your land, so your kid is in the clear.

Property taxes are what support your local gov. which in turn handles things like trash, sewage, sidewalks, (if you are in city limits) and/or schools, etc. I'm not a fan of being taxed by the fed, but I understand the need for state taxes.

 

[shaneadams90]

Keep the damn government out of my business.Tax this, tax that,taxed to ****ing death.

Agree 100% here.....wish I could run my business like the run our country!!

 

[Aegis]

Huh? Where is this going to require you to pay a tax if they ride on your land?
I agree, it makes more sense for municipalities or counties to enact this independently even though the administration would be infinitely less efficient.

just dont roll off the end of your driveway, or the tax man cometh!

less efficient? its already square peg round hole.

 

[Hasselhoss]

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Hard to tell anything from the photo.

shadow and debris circled in red is before the bike scene. Could be a collateral accident.
blue line indicates how far from right edge bikes were traveling. No numbers on chests (that I can see) would indicate not a race/sanctioned event which would allow them to ride "wide". (I know this is most likely not GA - just applying our laws to picture)

Everyone who uses the road needs to:

Be more civil
Be more patient
Be more lawful

Good eye. This was actually at a sanctioned race in Mexico. I believe the lane was actually supposed to be closed. I'll try to find the original article.

 

[GeauxLSU]

gas tax is supposed to be the answer to that, I pay a crapton more for my gas thats supposed to go towards the roads ....which is taxing based on miles driven.

I dont think a Zero mile driven car should be taxed or licensed or anything else.

as I said, Its ok to Tax X because theyre taxing Y is a fallacy.

So you want gas tax to pay for bike lanes?
I don't think a zero mile car should be taxed either. But we digress...

I'm not saying because tax x exist tax y is fine. You clearly don't know my thinking on taxes. I really thought MOST people are in favor of pushing the COST of a public service as close to the USERS of that service as possible. I 'thought' socializing things was generally thought of as a bad thing, at least around here. I guess not. No wonder we have a progressive tax system...

Also noted not one single person has addressed or acknowledged the bike theft issue...

 

[batoncolle]

This is what is in the bill.



Does that mean neighborhood streets? Probably not, but they should clarify that at some point. It doesn't say anything about your land, so your kid is in the clear.

Property taxes are what support your local gov. which in turn handles things like trash, sewage, sidewalks, (if you are in city limits) and/or schools, etc. I'm not a fan of being taxed by the fed, but I understand the need for state taxes.

The problem is the taxes DO NOT GO to support these items. Tax dollars are spent at the whim of those in power, given to their crony friends, and just generally wasted.

Can anyone say GA 400 toll??? Look at how those tax dollars, although against state law, were used to fund other items. Politicians abuse the system, and we let them get away with it.

How anyone can be in favor of yet one more tax is beyond me. This country is truly screwed...