Pistol to rifle to pistol. BATFE Ruling 2011-4

[VR]

Step 1: buy a pistol buffer tube

Step 2: screw that damn tube onto every single stripped lower you ever build and snap a quick picture, then take it off and finish installing the rifle buffer tube. You just made a pistol BEFORE making a rifle (and you have proof on a flash drive somewhere). You can now change that sumanabish back and forth from a pistol to rifle for life.

 

[BangBang]

Step 1: buy a pistol buffer tube

Step 2: screw that damn tube onto every single stripped lower you ever build and snap a quick picture, then take it off and finish installing the rifle buffer tube. You just made a pistol BEFORE making a rifle (and you have proof on a flash drive somewhere). You can now change that sumanabish back and forth from a pistol to rifle for life.

Yep!

 

[righter13]

Step 1: buy a pistol buffer tube

Step 2: screw that damn tube onto every single stripped lower you ever build and snap a quick picture, then take it off and finish installing the rifle buffer tube. You just made a pistol BEFORE making a rifle (and you have proof on a flash drive somewhere). You can now change that sumanabish back and forth from a pistol to rifle for life.

Not true. Technically it isn't a pistol until it has the pistol tube and a barreled upper.

 

[saltshakr]

Kinda off the subject..... But I find cool nevertheless. In 1928 Ithaca made ( a gunsmith for Ithaca) 2 smooth bore revolvers in .410. They never produced it. But they did patent it!! One is right here in Georgia!! A friend of mine has it. He had to get a stamp called " any other firearms". It was a lot of trouble. But is very cool. Imagine soldiers carrying one of those in WW2??

 

[Sneakypete]

Thxs Duke

 

[furious]

Not true. Technically it isn't a pistol until it has the pistol tube and a barreled upper.

FALSE,
The stripped lower is a "pistol" as soon as the paperwork has been filled out. If you buy the lower at an FFL and fill out a 4473 then the shop must indicate that it is a "HANDGUN" or "LONG GUN". The lower is then a "pistol" as soon as the seller marks "HANDGUN" in the box on the 4473. If the 4473 is marked "Long Gun" then you must have an ATF tax stamp to turn it into a pistol or SBR.

If you buy a USED lower and build it as a pistol then you may very well be creating an illegal gun if the original 4473 doesn't say that it's a "pistol".

 

[spencer60]

FALSE,
The stripped lower is a "pistol" as soon as the paperwork has been filled out. If you buy the lower at an FFL and fill out a 4473 then the shop must indicate that it is a "HANDGUN" or "LONG GUN". The lower is then a "pistol" as soon as the seller marks "HANDGUN" in the box on the 4473. If the 4473 is marked "Long Gun" then you must have an ATF tax stamp to turn it into a pistol or SBR.

If you buy a USED lower and build it as a pistol then you may very well be creating an illegal gun if the original 4473 doesn't say that it's a "pistol".

So, do FFLs typically fill out 4473's for stripped lowers as "handgun" or 'long gun'?

I'm, guessing they would default to long gun unless you told them differently.

 

[righter13]

So, do FFLs typically fill out 4473's for stripped lowers as "handgun" or 'long gun'?

I'm, guessing they would default to long gun unless you told them differently.

It transfers as "other"

 

[righter13]

FALSE,
The stripped lower is a "pistol" as soon as the paperwork has been filled out. If you buy the lower at an FFL and fill out a 4473 then the shop must indicate that it is a "HANDGUN" or "LONG GUN". The lower is then a "pistol" as soon as the seller marks "HANDGUN" in the box on the 4473. If the 4473 is marked "Long Gun" then you must have an ATF tax stamp to turn it into a pistol or SBR.

If you buy a USED lower and build it as a pistol then you may very well be creating an illegal gun if the original 4473 doesn't say that it's a "pistol".

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No Sir. You are incorrect. It transfers as other. It even says "receivers" next to others.

Scroll down and read the instructions for filling out block 18.
https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download

Nonliberal
@Quiet Riot @NWSharpshooter Firearms
https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=122&t=502805

 

[Nonliberal]

No Sir. You are incorrect. It transfers as other. It even says "receivers" next to others.

Scroll down and read the instructions for filling out block 18.
https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download

Nonliberal
@Quiet Riot @NWSharpshooter Firearms
https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=122&t=502805

I didn't read the whole thread but a virgin receiver does transfer as other. It doesn;t become a pistol or rifle until it is assembled into something. Receivers also don't count as firearms if they are never assembled when paying excise taxes either. As a manufacturer we are required to pay an excise tax if we manufacture 50 firearms in a year. Bare receivers don't count towards that as they are "other".