Would you train with this company?

[rOmiLaYu]

OK...first things first. It's really easy to bag on them because of the attitude and all the other stuff. But let's take it on face value. Ignore the personalities and the braggadocio and the brouhaha. Watch the video and answer the question. I'll wait.

Done? OK, well the answer for me is a good ole country "hail no-wuh!" Let's go down the list:

• Within the first seven seconds, multiple people have been flagged with loaded handguns
• "Truly advanced?" A) What does that even mean? B) Does it mean one hand operation of the slide of your handgun...if so, I'm pretty sure that was being done....well.....ever since autoloading pistols where created; so what's "truly advanced" about that?
• "Cutting Edge" and "Proven Tactics" apparently included carrying an unloaded pistol in your pocket (?) while carrying the mags for said pistol in an OWB holster?
• @ 00:25 -- Did he just? Oh wow...yeah, he did. OK, so safety concerns aside (enormous as they may be), what self defense scenario EVER plays out with you on top delivering a double tap to the face? Seriously? The palm strike routine was understandable if not a little comical, but is this outfit really teaching double taps to the face? Drill was clarified as a lethal encounter with two assailants...while still, in my tiny mind, a questionable drill, it is not what I took it to be https://www.theoutdoorstrader.com/posts/7043481/)
  
• @00:27 -- Um, apparently getting hit in the back of the head with boxing gloves by your instructor while firing your pistol is "Master Level Skill." How that helps in the real world, I suppose I'm just not operator enough to know.
• And I guess the end of it is supposed to be some sort of IFAK test....couldn't tell exactly what was happening.

Look, I only mention this because people say all the time "You know, ole James is a good guy once you get to know him and they teach really good stuff. You just have to get past the 'internet' stuff." This video is nothing but video of a course they taught. No spin, no "I'm gonna start shooting people" rhetoric, no nothing...just their curriculum in motion. And it only took thirty eight seconds to save me four thousand dollars...you know, if I was going with a friend...and my Sightmark.

 

[Realtor]

lot of baby booming neckbeard rocking dad bods in this video

 

[DinkyDau]

Only thing I saw of value is learning to shoot off handed and loading. I want mine to learn to use their weak side, due to possible injury of shooting hand or arm. Would I train with them, ,NO

 

[GAgunLAWbooklet]

I think it's legit to train to FIGHT with a pistol in your hand, in ways other than shooting.
And I think it's fair and reasonable to teach people how to shoot their adversaries at contact distance, including maybe drilling them right through the face if you temporarily have them underneath you but you still feel that they're a lethal threat and you cannot consider the fight over at that point.

I know it's important to train to do your thing while being distracted.
Here, the distraction is being tapped on the head with boxing gloves.
It could be having water sprayed in your face.
It could be being shot with AirSoft or paintball guns.

Doing this kind of training may be uncommon, but I'm not going to say it's not USEFUL.

The first time you need to use one of these moves in real combat to save your life, it should NOT be the first time in your life you've ever done anything like that, or even thought about it!
It's easier and faster to execute a move that you've been trained to do, and practiced.

 

[crippen]

I rebelled against your repressive instructions to watch the video first and read your commentary instead. Doing so saved me time watching that I would never have gotten back.

 

[rOmiLaYu]

I think it's legit to train to FIGHT with a pistol in your hand, in ways other than shooting.
And I think it's fair and reasonable to teach people how to shoot their adversaries at contact distance, including maybe drilling them right through the face if you temporarily have them underneath you but you still feel that they're a lethal threat and you cannot consider the fight over at that point.

Two things:

1) Pinning your adversary to the ground long enough to unholster your pistol and pop that grape is not a contact shot, it's an execution.

2) You think it's "reasonable" to teach contact shooting from a position of dominance? I wonder what George Zimmerman thinks about that.

I know it's important to train to do your thing while being distracted.
Here, the distraction is being tapped on the head with boxing gloves.
It could be having water sprayed in your face.
It could be being shot with AirSoft or paintball guns.

That one, I'll give you...maybe. But the rest? Bravo Sierra.

Doing this kind of training may be uncommon, but I'm not going to say it's not USEFUL.

It's neither uncommon nor useful, unfortunately.

The first time you need to use one of these moves in real combat to save your life, it should NOT be the first time in your life you've ever done anything like that, or even thought about it!
It's easier and faster to execute a move that you've been trained to do, and practiced.

If I need a "move" in "real combat," I've made the last of several bad decisions already.

 

[sheep dog]

 

[Bushwhacker]

Why is dude hitting him in the back of the head repeatedly with boxing gloves on??? What scenario is this trying to emulate?

 

[Smoothie]

If that were a real world scenario I'm pretty sure I would be shooting behind me and not in front!

 

[Wheeler]

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