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.357SIG: What’s the point of this cartridge?
- Thread starter cmshoot
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The original chambering for the Luger was a 30 cal bottleneck
Interesting. If it works well for rifles and seems to function fine in pistols with more advantages than disadvantages, you'd think people would support it.
There are tons if people messing with wildcat rounds to tweek the best performance out of everything.
The ones that finally get company backing are shunned till some form of public media or cops/military decide hop on board. If the army went to 357 sig, people would flock to it like blackbirds.
Im fairly sure air martials carry the 357 sig. If another necked pistol round gets better support, Ill pick it up. Think the 400 corbon is a necked 45. Really like to see this in a P220 but I think the 10mm beats it in ballistics so....
And ive seen people say they control 9mm better then ask if their gun is ok to shoot +p+ ammo. Its a vicious loop. Wanting power with no recoil. I dont believe that even +p+ will come close to low end 357 mag out of a 4" barrel but I could be mistaken. ATM IMHO the 40 and 357 offer the best capacity to power ratio that "I" can handle reasonably well.
I dont shoot much and have only youtube to train me.
I try to improve when i have a chance. ATM im in white dish at 7 yards averaging around 2 seconds drawing from concealment. Compared to most this sux but Its not bad. Ive hit 1.5 and 2.5 depending on the shirt and luck so I split the dif. Primary gun is P229 and ive not noticed a time dif in 3 dif calibers.
One of the positives of a bottleneck like the .357SIG is that they tend to feed well; 9mm bullet going into a .40 chamber. The drawback to that is that you have to use a .40 caliber brush to clean the chamber and a 9mm brush to clean the bore. Not a big deal, but I see quite a few folks neglect this and just run a 9mm brush. Under heavy use, you can get fouling buildup in the chamber that causes reliability issues.
The increased chamber pressures of the .357SIG wear out guns faster than 9mm or even .40S&W. Normal wear parts like springs and such have to be replaced at a more frequent interval, and slides/frames/barrels don't last as long. I've seen visible flame cutting in SIG P229 .357SIG barrels at 10,000 rounds. Still shoot just fine, but it's there. I'm a SIG Armorer for my agency.
At 40,000 rounds we turn our P229 in and get a new one. I'm on #5 right now. At 40,000 rounds they are noticeably "loose". They rattle when you shake them, but they still shoot exceptionally well. Perfectly reliable (if proper maintenance has been performed regularly) and very accurate.......not quite as accurate as they did when new, but more accurate than a Glock.
For "gun folks" that shoot regularly and train, .357SIG isn't a big deal. Problem is, a lot of LE folks ain't gun folks. The added noise and recoil leads to poor accuracy for many and, as was said above, a hit with anything is better than a miss. Then there are the budgetary constraints. .357SIG tends to be more expensive than the other commonly used semi-automatic handgun calibers. An agency can take the same amount of money and buy much more 9mm ammo to train with. This means more training. More training means better accuracy. Better accuracy means better hits on the street. A hit with any 9mm is better than a miss with any .357SIG.
The increased chamber pressures of the .357SIG wear out guns faster than 9mm or even .40S&W. Normal wear parts like springs and such have to be replaced at a more frequent interval, and slides/frames/barrels don't last as long. I've seen visible flame cutting in SIG P229 .357SIG barrels at 10,000 rounds. Still shoot just fine, but it's there. I'm a SIG Armorer for my agency.
At 40,000 rounds we turn our P229 in and get a new one. I'm on #5 right now. At 40,000 rounds they are noticeably "loose". They rattle when you shake them, but they still shoot exceptionally well. Perfectly reliable (if proper maintenance has been performed regularly) and very accurate.......not quite as accurate as they did when new, but more accurate than a Glock.
For "gun folks" that shoot regularly and train, .357SIG isn't a big deal. Problem is, a lot of LE folks ain't gun folks. The added noise and recoil leads to poor accuracy for many and, as was said above, a hit with anything is better than a miss. Then there are the budgetary constraints. .357SIG tends to be more expensive than the other commonly used semi-automatic handgun calibers. An agency can take the same amount of money and buy much more 9mm ammo to train with. This means more training. More training means better accuracy. Better accuracy means better hits on the street. A hit with any 9mm is better than a miss with any .357SIG.
I bought my G32 because I think it makes a good woods gun, when I may come across south Ga hogs, as well as a good SD carry caliber. Its a multi tasker. It also fits all my G19 holsters. I'm planning to get some good hard cast projectiles to keep on hand for blasting a pork critter...Or maybe even a deer.
I had considered, and still am considering a 1911 in 10mm for the woods, because I don't care for the bigger frame 10mm that Glock offers. Capacity and caliber are nice, but I don't like the thick Glock frames.
I had considered, and still am considering a 1911 in 10mm for the woods, because I don't care for the bigger frame 10mm that Glock offers. Capacity and caliber are nice, but I don't like the thick Glock frames.
