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Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth
- Thread starter grandchessboard
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pentagon?
Google Donald Rumsfeld 9-10-2011...
Building 7 World Trade Center.
How about the Con Ed power substation for one? The substation contained a caisson foundation designed for a smaller building 7 which meant that a structure of columns and girders were necessry to transfer the load to that caisson foundation along with new cassions. According to what I can find the original plan called for a 600,000 sq ft 25 story building and what was built had 1,868,000 sq ft of office space.
It also had a three story shipping and receiving dock in one corner.
Emergency generators for an Office of Emergency Management and the required 24,000 gallons of diesel fuel and delivery system.
The building had a sprinkler system BUT for some reason at least portions of that system required manual initiation from what I understand. The pump required power and from what I can understand there was little to no water pressure to run the system I guess due to the collapse of Towers 1 and 2.
In the video you can not see the bottom levels of the building which at least according to the fire department was bulging in the area of floors 10 thru 13 around 2pm. Around 3:30pm the fire department halted operations in and around the building and it started to collapse around 5:20 pm. None of this can be seen in the video I have seen.
How about the Con Ed power substation for one? The substation contained a caisson foundation designed for a smaller building 7 which meant that a structure of columns and girders were necessry to transfer the load to that caisson foundation along with new cassions. According to what I can find the original plan called for a 600,000 sq ft 25 story building and what was built had 1,868,000 sq ft of office space.
It also had a three story shipping and receiving dock in one corner.
Emergency generators for an Office of Emergency Management and the required 24,000 gallons of diesel fuel and delivery system.
The building had a sprinkler system BUT for some reason at least portions of that system required manual initiation from what I understand. The pump required power and from what I can understand there was little to no water pressure to run the system I guess due to the collapse of Towers 1 and 2.
In the video you can not see the bottom levels of the building which at least according to the fire department was bulging in the area of floors 10 thru 13 around 2pm. Around 3:30pm the fire department halted operations in and around the building and it started to collapse around 5:20 pm. None of this can be seen in the video I have seen.
I dunno that any of those things had a bearing on the collapse. I am not an engineer nor an architect. Just seems kinda strange to me that people who should know these things do not bother to mention any of them when they discuss the collapse of those buildings. They seem to me to talk about those buildings as if they were normal run of the mill mild steel framed buildings when they were anything but normal ole mild steel framed buildings.
The nut in the beginning say they are inspired by President Obama..that should be enough.
I have seen support beams and concrete at NIST in Maryland that was tagged and evaluated from the World Trade buildings. I also have FDNY friends that were THERE.
Just think how hot 50,000 gallons of jet fuel would be.
If anyone wants to read the NIST reports.
http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/wtc_finalreports.cfm
I have seen support beams and concrete at NIST in Maryland that was tagged and evaluated from the World Trade buildings. I also have FDNY friends that were THERE.
Just think how hot 50,000 gallons of jet fuel would be.
If anyone wants to read the NIST reports.
http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/wtc_finalreports.cfm
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[TD="align: center"]Jet A-1
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Jet A
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Flash point
[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: center"]38 °C (100 °F)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Autoignition temperature
[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: center"]210 °C (410 °F)[SUP][10][/SUP]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Freezing point
[/TD]
[TD]−47 °C (−53 °F)
[/TD]
[TD]−40 °C (−40 °F)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Open air burning temperatures
[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: center"]260–315 °C (500–599 °F)[SUP][10][/SUP]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Density at 15 °C (59 °F)
[/TD]
[TD].804 kg/L (6.71 lb/US gal)
[/TD]
[TD].820 kg/L (6.84 lb/US gal)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Specific energy
[/TD]
[TD]43.15 MJ/kg
[/TD]
[TD]43.02 MJ/kg
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Energy density
[/TD]
[TD]34.7 MJ/L
[/TD]
[TD]35.3 MJ/L
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Heating mild steel
Black heat (about 550-630°C). No red colour visible except faintly in the dark.
Dull red (about 680-740°C). Used for easy well-radiused bends in mild steel and for forging high-carbon steels.
Bright red (about 850-900°C). Used for simple forging operations, such as bending metal over the anvil, light punching and hot chiselling.
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Jet A-1
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Jet A
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Flash point
[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: center"]38 °C (100 °F)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Autoignition temperature
[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: center"]210 °C (410 °F)[SUP][10][/SUP]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Freezing point
[/TD]
[TD]−47 °C (−53 °F)
[/TD]
[TD]−40 °C (−40 °F)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Open air burning temperatures
[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: center"]260–315 °C (500–599 °F)[SUP][10][/SUP]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Density at 15 °C (59 °F)
[/TD]
[TD].804 kg/L (6.71 lb/US gal)
[/TD]
[TD].820 kg/L (6.84 lb/US gal)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Specific energy
[/TD]
[TD]43.15 MJ/kg
[/TD]
[TD]43.02 MJ/kg
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Energy density
[/TD]
[TD]34.7 MJ/L
[/TD]
[TD]35.3 MJ/L
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Heating mild steel
Black heat (about 550-630°C). No red colour visible except faintly in the dark.
Dull red (about 680-740°C). Used for easy well-radiused bends in mild steel and for forging high-carbon steels.
Bright red (about 850-900°C). Used for simple forging operations, such as bending metal over the anvil, light punching and hot chiselling.
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[TD="align: center"]Jet A-1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Jet A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Flash point[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: center"]38 °C (100 °F)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Autoignition temperature[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: center"]210 °C (410 °F)[SUP][10][/SUP][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Freezing point[/TD]
[TD]−47 °C (−53 °F)[/TD]
[TD]−40 °C (−40 °F)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Open air burning temperatures[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: center"]260â315 °C (500â599 °F)[SUP][10][/SUP][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Density at 15 °C (59 °F)[/TD]
[TD].804 kg/L (6.71 lb/US gal)[/TD]
[TD].820 kg/L (6.84 lb/US gal)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Specific energy[/TD]
[TD]43.15 MJ/kg[/TD]
[TD]43.02 MJ/kg[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Energy density[/TD]
[TD]34.7 MJ/L[/TD]
[TD]35.3 MJ/L[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Jet A-1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Jet A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Flash point[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: center"]38 °C (100 °F)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Autoignition temperature[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: center"]210 °C (410 °F)[SUP][10][/SUP][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Freezing point[/TD]
[TD]−47 °C (−53 °F)[/TD]
[TD]−40 °C (−40 °F)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Open air burning temperatures[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: center"]260â315 °C (500â599 °F)[SUP][10][/SUP][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Density at 15 °C (59 °F)[/TD]
[TD].804 kg/L (6.71 lb/US gal)[/TD]
[TD].820 kg/L (6.84 lb/US gal)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Specific energy[/TD]
[TD]43.15 MJ/kg[/TD]
[TD]43.02 MJ/kg[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Energy density[/TD]
[TD]34.7 MJ/L[/TD]
[TD]35.3 MJ/L[/TD]
[/TR]
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You mean the fuel that burned off in the fireball of the crash?
i am a contractor and I have turned down work in New York City. I have friends in the industry that have built, designed work and developed properties in New York. It is one of the most difficult cities to build in due to code enforcement and the unions. I think it is safe to say that there is no way the original engineers and designers designed a 600,000 sq ft building and the contractor built a building three time larger and no one caught it. Including the building officials. I have spoken to a lot of architects and structural engineers and they all say pretty well what was said on the video. Steel buildings do not achieve 2400 degrees and bring down steel with out an excelerant. Structural engineers alway use a nice safety factor in their calculations its a liability thing. Lets not forget that this has never happened in the history of steel buildings. Fire sprinklers slow the fire to allow egress out of a building they don't always put out fires. I have actually been fortunate enough to be a part of some investigative teams and have personally seen buildings fail due to hurricanes, tornado or negligent construction techniques. When the failures occur the weight alway stacks loads and shifts as the structure comes down. It never comes straight down in a vertical stacking effect. In my opinion watching the video of building seven that is one of the best controlled demolition I have seen. Whiting Turner was in the processor doing a renovation on this building before it came down. Of course all of the work has to be done at night when a building is occupied. This is just my opinion. Building seven sounds funny to me. I understand that the tenants in seven where , CIA, FBI ,and national security. Go figure.
