Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth

[dwaywego]

The jet fuel didn't have to melt the I-beams! Just weaken a small amount. Can you imagine the load they were carrying. I can on imagine that when the airplane hit the building a cascade of jet fuel would have been everywhere! Remember Jet A will not flash off like gasoline. As for the pentagon, does anybody remember the Value Jet crash in the Everglades? There was no airplane to recover! Airplanes are only made to fly, not survive the impact of a crash! It's really hard for me to believe people waste this much time over analyzing this event.

 

[tv_racin_fan]

i am a contractor and I have turned down work in New York City. I have friends in the industry that have built, designed work and developed properties in New York. It is one of the most difficult cities to build in due to code enforcement and the unions. I think it is safe to say that there is no way the original engineers and designers designed a 600,000 sq ft building and the contractor built a building three time larger and no one caught it. Including the building officials. I have spoken to a lot of architects and structural engineers and they all say pretty well what was said on the video. Steel buildings do not achieve 2400 degrees and bring down steel with out an excelerant. Structural engineers alway use a nice safety factor in their calculations its a liability thing. Lets not forget that this has never happened in the history of steel buildings. Fire sprinklers slow the fire to allow egress out of a building they don't always put out fires. I have actually been fortunate enough to be a part of some investigative teams and have personally seen buildings fail due to hurricanes, tornado or negligent construction techniques. When the failures occur the weight alway stacks loads and shifts as the structure comes down. It never comes straight down in a vertical stacking effect. In my opinion watching the video of building seven that is one of the best controlled demolition I have seen. Whiting Turner was in the processor doing a renovation on this building before it came down. Of course all of the work has to be done at night when a building is occupied. This is just my opinion. Building seven sounds funny to me. I understand that the tenants in seven where , CIA, FBI ,and national security. Go figure.

I didn't say they designed a 600k sq ft building and built one way larger. Go re read. THEY installed caissons some year before the building was built when they built the Con Ed station. THOSE caissons were for a 600k sq ft building. THEY intalled new caissons where they could and used the others as well. Hard to install new caissons in the center of a power substation. The new ones were outside the substation... Several conspiracy theory sites have good drawings for the buildings.

The columns in the world trade center buildings are not mild steel.. they are heat treated for increased strength.. no need to melt them just heat them up enough they become mild steel columns that wont hold the weight on them. Go look at how many support columns were cut by the aircraft. Those trade center buildings are tube within a tube contstruction... support columns on the outer wall support columns in the center box and trusses conecting them. Nothing like a normal steel framed column and beam building. They had lots and lots of open floor space. The trusses were not welded nor bolted.. they relied on gravity to hold them in their sockets..

Grab a piece of mild steel and bend it.. now do that with steel like was in those columns it breaks... fails all at once.. not bend like mild steel...

Go look at the towers as they fell. I once found a very well detailed frame by frame sequence.. I forget which tower it was but the top started falling over.. went so far and then boom the columns all failed (what was left of them) and it started falling straight down..


They claimed building 7 fell over about a 7 second time frame.. only thing is the seizmic record is about 18 seconds.. can't fool the seizmic.. I have tried... they claim it fell straight down.. it didn't, but the video they show sure looks like it.

The main tenant was a banking firm.. smith barney I think.. they had rebuilt the building to have three story trading floors. Conspiracy sites have an awesome listing of the tenants. Believe NSA had an office.

 

[Dbodt]

I didn't say they designed a 600k sq ft building and built one way larger. Go re read. THEY installed caissons some year before the building was built when they built the Con Ed station. THOSE caissons were for a 600k sq ft building. THEY intalled new caissons where they could and used the others as well. Hard to install new caissons in the center of a power substation. The new ones were outside the substation... Several conspiracy theory sites have good drawings for the buildings.

The columns in the world trade center buildings are not mild steel.. they are heat treated for increased strength.. no need to melt them just heat them up enough they become mild steel columns that wont hold the weight on them. Go look at how many support columns were cut by the aircraft. Those trade center buildings are tube within a tube contstruction... support columns on the outer wall support columns in the center box and trusses conecting them. Nothing like a normal steel framed column and beam building. They had lots and lots of open floor space. The trusses were not welded nor bolted.. they relied on gravity to hold them in their sockets..

Grab a piece of mild steel and bend it.. now do that with steel like was in those columns it breaks... fails all at once.. not bend like mild steel...

Go look at the towers as they fell. I once found a very well detailed frame by frame sequence.. I forget which tower it was but the top started falling over.. went so far and then boom the columns all failed (what was left of them) and it started falling straight down..


They claimed building 7 fell over about a 7 second time frame.. only thing is the seizmic record is about 18 seconds.. can't fool the seizmic.. I have tried... they claim it fell straight down.. it didn't, but the video they show sure looks like it.

The main tenant was a banking firm.. smith barney I think.. they had rebuilt the building to have three story trading floors. Conspiracy sites have an awesome listing of the tenants. Believe NSA had an office.

Not trying to be argumentative. I just sounds like you are stating the buildings soil improvements were not sufficient for the load. Caissons are caissons they provide bearing and a soldiering effect of the soil in the immediate area. You can indeed use existing caisson on a new building, I have done it. You may be adding additional caissons or additional volume grout or other soil improvements to bridge and stabilize the slab area. I have built five story buildings 40 feet from a 110 foot deep sink hole in the past. It all about the engineering designed to stabilize the immediate building foot print. People underestimate the amount of engineering that goes into a building from the foundation up. I have seen some Structural engineers use a 200 percent safety factor. I buy the jets cutting beams and the fuel increasing the heating point to bend steel in the towers I was merely commenting on bldg 7. The trusses merely hold flooring so people can use the building. The box beam construction around the outside of the building is indeed bolted. If building seven has failed for the reasons given why are not some of the structural columns not still vertical and deformed at ground level like we witnessed in the towers? Like I Said just my opinion something does not make sence.

 

[tv_racin_fan]

Not trying to be argumentative. I just sounds like you are stating the buildings soil improvements were not sufficient for the load. Caissons are caissons they provide bearing and a soldiering effect of the soil in the immediate area. You can indeed use existing caisson on a new building, I have done it. You may be adding additional caissons or additional volume grout or other soil improvements to bridge and stabilize the slab area. I have built five story buildings 40 feet from a 110 foot deep sink hole in the past. It all about the engineering designed to stabilize the immediate building foot print. People underestimate the amount of engineering that goes into a building from the foundation up. I have seen some Structural engineers use a 200 percent safety factor. I buy the jets cutting beams and the fuel increasing the heating point to bend steel in the towers I was merely commenting on bldg 7. The trusses merely hold flooring so people can use the building. The box beam construction around the outside of the building is indeed bolted. If building seven has failed for the reasons given why are not some of the structural columns not still vertical and deformed at ground level like we witnessed in the towers? Like I Said just my opinion something does not make sence.

I understand what you are saying. I am saying these guys come on and make claims without bothering to mention the very very unique properties of the building. They for instance claim it fell during a 7 second period. They failed to mention that firefighters saw the bulge in the building HOURS earlier. They forget the evidence exsists that shows their timing is wrong.