FLOCK cameras, have you seen them????

[Deleted member 97214]

You can go flock yourself with those cameras. I was safe on my hill before and I'll be fine after. As far as I'm concerned, cops are here to protect criminals from me, not the other way around... i pity the fool that comes to my house looking for trouble.

 

[fastfish66]

Round-a-bouts are another surveillance tool, it gives multiple angles and a slow speed to inspect.

Whitesburg,they're putting cameras and tag readers on each side of the round a bout on rt. 5+ the cameras in the school zone.It's for yhe kids.

 

[41mag]

So this asshole says he wants to “….stop the ‘bad guy’ BEFORE they commit the crime. “
( “Thought police” here they come !! )

 

[rbstern]

I'm pretty sure no warrant is necessary to film anything in plain view in public.

Recording in public is one thing. Cataloging that visual record (and associated meta data like timestamps, GPS) into a mass surveillance system is another matter entirely.

Some states have already enacted laws limiting the duration of records retention, and U.S. courts generally have not viewed mass surveillance systems as compatible with the 4th Amendment.

 

[rbstern]

FLOCK cameras were instrumental in nabbing the folks who broke into Dahlonega Gold and Pawn a few months ago. IIRC - Break in at 0400 in Dahlonega, arrests by 0730 in Dallas, GA.

I don't think anyone is arguing they aren't a good law enforcement tool.

The problem is: At what price to liberty?

It's no different than gun control: We could reduce criminal shootings by outlawing guns. But it's a price we are not willing to pay, for well understood reasons.

1st Amendment. 2nd Amendment. 4th Amendment. They all serve a purpose in safeguarding civil liberties.

 

[Deleted member 97214]

Recording in public is one thing. Cataloging that visual record (and associated meta data like timestamps, GPS) into a mass surveillance system is another matter entirely.

Some states have already enacted laws limiting the duration of records retention, and U.S. courts generally have not viewed mass surveillance systems as compatible with the 4th Amendment.

Yea theyre also supposed to catalog body cam footage for a certain period of time, but they "misplace it occasionally"... I'd imagine the same loose boundaries would be placed on this footage but with the opposite outcome.

 

[rockyfatcat]

Holy Minority Report. This guy actually said that he wants to catch people "Before they commit a crime" at roughly the 1:40 mark in this video!!!

Flock is based here in GA. So, it makes sense that there are a lot of cameras in and around ATL, but for those that are just learning about Flock, they are in FedEx trucks too: https://archive.is/kAqss

Sadly... If you are out in public, you have to assume that images or video of you are being captured.

I am generally a lawful good kinda guy. I really don’t mind the use of this tech for catching bad guys.

They say this info is only stored for 30 days. The real issue is the long term collection of data. What happens when over the course of years, they compile data files on every individual?

There was a comedy bit on youtube that integrated a pizza order and healthcare records. The skit presumed that due to his medical records the pizza place wouldn’t sell him the pizza he wanted but would let him order a salad instead.

Every cell phone made today has built in GPS. What happens when they expand the database to indefinitely maintain the individual location record of every cell phone?

Some really 1984 stuff

 

[BHPSteel]

I am generally a lawful good kinda guy. I really don’t mind the use of this tech for catching bad guys.

They say this info is only stored for 30 days. The real issue is the long term collection of data. What happens when over the course of years, they compile data files on every individual?

There was a comedy bit on youtube that integrated a pizza order and healthcare records. The skit presumed that due to his medical records the pizza place wouldn’t sell him the pizza he wanted but would let him order a salad instead.

Every cell phone made today has built in GPS. What happens when they expand the database to indefinitely maintain the individual location record of every cell phone?

Some really 1984 stuff

You're way behind on your ****.

Every cell phone that can communicate via the cellular network has an IMEI code that gets logged as your phone is handed off to a new repeater. Most phones, you can find your IMEI number by going into your phone app and typing:

* # 06 #

Add that - of course - the cell phone company knows what phone numbers you called, which were answered, the call duration and a lot of other metadata.

That data can be stored for as long as your cell phone company wants. Or for as long as the government that runs the telecommunications licensing authority wants them to. In the case of AT&T, in 2018, AT&T reported in Carpenter vs United States that they stored data for up to two years (PDF).

Note that this was their public stance back then. There's no actual limit on how long that data might be maintained, OR who they make that data available to. If they have a portal for third party enquiries, that enquirer could easily pull data regularly and construct a complete historical record. So the phone companies themselves don't need to maintain a complete historical record. They just need to make their short-term historical data available to an entity with a lot of disk storage who happens to be interested in where you, a law-abiding citizen, go every day.

Now let's think about who might be interested in where you go on every January 6th .....

 

[edindah]

You're way behind on your ****.

Every cell phone that can communicate via the cellular network has an IMEI code that gets logged as your phone is handed off to a new repeater. Most phones, you can find your IMEI number by going into your phone app and typing:

* # 06 #

Add that - of course - the cell phone company knows what phone numbers you called, which were answered, the call duration and a lot of other metadata.

That data can be stored for as long as your cell phone company wants. Or for as long as the government that runs the telecommunications licensing authority wants them to. In the case of AT&T, in 2018, AT&T reported in Carpenter vs United States that they stored data for up to two years (PDF).

Note that this was their public stance back then. There's no actual limit on how long that data might be maintained, OR who they make that data available to. If they have a portal for third party enquiries, that enquirer could easily pull data regularly and construct a complete historical record. So the phone companies themselves don't need to maintain a complete historical record. They just need to make their short-term historical data available to an entity with a lot of disk storage who happens to be interested in where you, a law-abiding citizen, go every day.

Now let's think about who might be interested in where you go on every January 6th .....

Plus whatever the NSA captures!

 

[Bagman]