Im pretty sure im about to start an ODT fire lol...

[Flashover16]

NO see you are still trying to compare one instance or some obscure loading to the 45 acp loading!
tell you what pick out any 451 projectile and list that loading in the 45 GAP and I can duplicate or have a better loading in the 45 acp, same with velocity.
as I originally said the GAP does nothing better than the 45 acp, its only different as is many of the new introductions.
Now not all just most!
the 357 Sig sauer was a good improvement as was the 9 X 23 and others but the GAP isn't one of those. a
again post your GAP load that's better than the 45 acp.
Pressure is established by SAAMI or CIP, if a cartridge has a listed plus P pressure then its safe, so the 23 K pressure is the same as the 45 GAP.
now the gun may not be approved for its use but the cartridge is.
I don't own a GAP either, but what I like/ dislike wasn;t the situation, I responded to your response about the GAP being somehow better, as if advertising makes it so.
as protective measures states Glock pretty much needed a round for their very own, heck even today they call the 357 Sig round simply as 357 so as not recognize Sig for some childish reason?
many newbies just assume the 357 that Glock mentions is the 357 magnum.
but anyway that's all a different discussion.
I really don't care what anyone shoots or carries its there choice.

 

[Flashover16]

incorrect... how is that incorrect? Different size case, different powder load, different projectile (not always), different velocity, different energy...?? Please explain how they are the same.....

45 ACP 900 ft/s (270 m/s) 414 ft·lbf energy (in 230 grain)
45 GAP 935 ft/s (285 m/s) 447 ft·lbf energy (in 230 grain) and in a smaller package

Similar, sure? Same, NO.

I can easily list you 8 or more 45 acp loadings using the 230 grain projectile that exceed those velocities ,and so those energy figures.
and none are Plus p loading either as they all fall below the 21,000 PSI measurement.

 

[user 71]

I didn't read all five pages of discussion...I'm a slacker lol...but I've stayed away from this round because of cost and availability.

Also, from what I've read and seen (MAC on YouTube had a great video out there about a month ago)...the ballistics are impressive out of the PS90 with a 16" barrel but are somewhat less from a PS90 SBR or the 57 pistol. If this is the case, then I'm not sure what advantage if any that this system would have over a 5.56 bullpup (steyr, tavor, bushy 17, etc.).

Common pistol/rifle caliber? Maybe, but that doesn't seem like a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Leshaire]

NO see you are still trying to compare one instance or some obscure loading to the 45 acp loading!
tell you what pick out any 451 projectile and list that loading in the 45 GAP and I can duplicate or have a better loading in the 45 acp, same with velocity.
as I originally said the GAP does nothing better than the 45 acp, its only different as is many of the new introductions.
Now not all just most!
the 357 Sig sauer was a good improvement as was the 9 X 23 and others but the GAP isn't one of those. a
again post your GAP load that's better than the 45 acp.
Pressure is established by SAAMI or CIP, if a cartridge has a listed plus P pressure then its safe, so the 23 K pressure is the same as the 45 GAP.
now the gun may not be approved for its use but the cartridge is.
I don't own a GAP either, but what I like/ dislike wasn;t the situation, I responded to your response about the GAP being somehow better, as if advertising makes it so.
as protective measures states Glock pretty much needed a round for their very own, heck even today they call the 357 Sig round simply as 357 so as not recognize Sig for some childish reason?
many newbies just assume the 357 that Glock mentions is the 357 magnum.
but anyway that's all a different discussion.
I really don't care what anyone shoots or carries its there choice.

Dude..... Youre missing the point entirely. Good freaking grief. The GAP is NOT the same thing as the ACP. Congrats, you can load one differently or whatever. Regardless, thats not what this thread is about so go cry elsewhere about your golden 45ACP with the rest of the 1911 die hards.

 

[Leshaire]

I didn't read all five pages of discussion...I'm a slacker lol...but I've stayed away from this round because of cost and availability.

Also, from what I've read and seen (MAC on YouTube had a great video out there about a month ago)...the ballistics are impressive out of the PS90 with a 16" barrel but are somewhat less from a PS90 SBR or the 57 pistol. If this is the case, then I'm not sure what advantage if any that this system would have over a 5.56 bullpup (steyr, tavor, bushy 17, etc.).

Common pistol/rifle caliber? Maybe, but that doesn't seem like a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

Yeah I am not impressed with the round for a carbine setup, especially considering the cost! It appears that in time it could be a very useful pistol round though. Honestly, I dont even think it is that far off.

 

[PapaTokarev]

The 5.7 is a very attractive round. I wish it were chambered in a carry piece other than FN's over priced offering.

 

[sovietak474u]

The 5.7 is a very attractive round. I wish it were chambered in a carry piece other than FN's over priced offering.

you could be pimptastic and carry this baby :

 

[Leshaire]

you could be pimptastic and carry this baby :

Bahahahaha! Pimptastic, nice.

 

[Flashover16]

Dude..... Youre missing the point entirely. Good freaking grief. The GAP is NOT the same thing as the ACP. Congrats, you can load one differently or whatever. Regardless, thats not what this thread is about so go cry elsewhere about your golden 45ACP with the rest of the 1911 die hards.

oh my!
I am sorry!
I didn't realize that you commanded who and what people did on this forum. My bad!
I never said the GAP was the same , I said that many new cartridges were developed that did nothing better than existing calibers. at that point you decided to take issue with the 45 GAP VS 45 Acp comparison.
so I assume by the comment of the last post that you really have no super, duper, load for the GAP that surpasses the 45 acp loads?
Perhaps you need more time to look up some info on the internet???
as for the 1911 or the 45 acp I own both and enjoy them but have many , many other calibers and so am not in love with any, actually the 38 Super is about as close to a favorite as I have.

 

[Leshaire]

oh my!
I am sorry!
I didn't realize that you commanded who and what people did on this forum. My bad!
I never said the GAP was the same , I said that many new cartridges were developed that did nothing better than existing calibers. at that point you decided to take issue with the 45 GAP VS 45 Acp comparison.
so I assume by the comment of the last post that you really have no super, duper, load for the GAP that surpasses the 45 acp loads?
Perhaps you need more time to look up some info on the internet???
as for the 1911 or the 45 acp I own both and enjoy them but have many , many other calibers and so am not in love with any, actually the 38 Super is about as close to a favorite as I have.

Good.