.22lr is good for infirm/handicapped people, not everybody can handle a 9mm/.45/.40. Especially older females. A great thread though with lots of good points made.
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The "Deadly" 22lr
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.22lr is good for infirm/handicapped people, not everybody can handle a 9mm/.45/.40. Especially older females. A great thread though with lots of good points made.
A. I never blamed the gun
B. I have yet to lie in this thread and I'm getting pretty sick of people calling me a liar
C. Good luck getting off carefully aimed headshots in the heat of the moment
D. WOW
@fifthhorsm
Please tell us more about this 38 special round fired from a 4 inch revolver that will penetrate a NIJ Standard 0101.05 level II vest (the industry standard for leo and criminal alike). I assume you already know that a level II vest will actually stop penetration of pistol rounds up to the level III-A standard for soft body armor. A level II vest fails the "blunt trauma" standard when hit with a level III-A 1400 foot per second 9mm fmj round fired from a submachine length barrel gun, or a 44 magnum SJHP at 1400 feet per second.......but there is no penetration by either round.
http://www.bulletproofme.com/Ballistic_Protection_Levels.shtml
"It is important to know that Level II-A, II and III-A all stop the overwhelming majority of pistol projectiles you are ever likely to encounter (plus 12 gauge, OO buckshot), and also to know that NO armor is ever 100% ‘bulletproof’ under ALL conceivable circumstances.
However, these ratings often have a safety margin for penetration because blunt trauma is usually the limiting factor in certification. For example, Level II body armor would likely stop the III-A test standard, (9 mm submachine gun at 1400 fps) from actually PENETRATING through the Level II vest. But, the Level II vest would fail on blunt trauma impact (the NIJ deems any dent greater than ~1.7" (~44 mm.) on the soft clay test surface, a FAIL).
So, the advantage in increasing protection Levels from II-A, to II, to III-A, is NOT so much protection from PENETRATION of pistol fire, but a significant reduction in the blunt trauma received."
A 38 special round fired from a 4 inch barrel that will penetrate a level II vest may indeed exist, although I have never heard of, or seen one in action. Please tell us more.
Please tell us more about this 38 special round fired from a 4 inch revolver that will penetrate a NIJ Standard 0101.05 level II vest (the industry standard for leo and criminal alike). I assume you already know that a level II vest will actually stop penetration of pistol rounds up to the level III-A standard for soft body armor. A level II vest fails the "blunt trauma" standard when hit with a level III-A 1400 foot per second 9mm fmj round fired from a submachine length barrel gun, or a 44 magnum SJHP at 1400 feet per second.......but there is no penetration by either round.
http://www.bulletproofme.com/Ballistic_Protection_Levels.shtml
"It is important to know that Level II-A, II and III-A all stop the overwhelming majority of pistol projectiles you are ever likely to encounter (plus 12 gauge, OO buckshot), and also to know that NO armor is ever 100% ‘bulletproof’ under ALL conceivable circumstances.
However, these ratings often have a safety margin for penetration because blunt trauma is usually the limiting factor in certification. For example, Level II body armor would likely stop the III-A test standard, (9 mm submachine gun at 1400 fps) from actually PENETRATING through the Level II vest. But, the Level II vest would fail on blunt trauma impact (the NIJ deems any dent greater than ~1.7" (~44 mm.) on the soft clay test surface, a FAIL).
So, the advantage in increasing protection Levels from II-A, to II, to III-A, is NOT so much protection from PENETRATION of pistol fire, but a significant reduction in the blunt trauma received."
A 38 special round fired from a 4 inch barrel that will penetrate a level II vest may indeed exist, although I have never heard of, or seen one in action. Please tell us more.
Sorry, I just assumed you were lying when you said you owned a Jennings...
IN for pics!
Not the kind of story someone tell on themselves if not true, is it?
That he owned a Jennings or that it went off one time...
Just spit my coffee!
Three ice pickings to the torso will take the lead out of anyone's pencil, too... But I'd prefer something else.
Lot's of people have talked about how effective 22LR is at dispatching deer and farm animals, and I've seen how well it does with dogs. But, the thing to remember is a) most of these are shot from a rifle, not a pistol, b) the shots are to stopped targets, a.k.a., easy to hit, c) the targets in question are "low threat", i.e., little consequence if you miss, and d) the skulls are flat on to the impacting round.
In the self defense world, a0 you'll likely be using a pistol with significantly lower velocity, b) the target will probably not be stopped, c) if you don't put him down he'll either shoot, stab, or beat you to death before bleeding out (assuming he bleeds out), and d) the skull, even if flat on, has very little flat area in front of the brain pan.
I mean, heck, with all this talk about how awesome 22LR is, maybe big game hunters in Africa should just switch to 22LR. If it's this penetrating and bounce around damaging, surely it can take down Cape Buffalo, right?
OK, all joking aside. If you want to carry a 22LR for self defense, so be it. But you need to be honest about it. Take an IDPA target, and draw two eyes on it. Place it at 5 yards minimum. Using a shot timer, draw from concealment and put at least one round in one of the eyes. If you can do it in under 2 seconds you might be OK. Any other shot might kill him, but not before he has time to return the favor.
As for me, I'll stick to 9mm, .40, or .45, with the occasional .380, which is at least a center fire. And, by the way, the .380 is also about the same size as most "small" 22LRs.
