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Veterans receive letter from VA prohibiting purchase and ownership of firearms
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Yes if you are found "incompetent", usually for psychiatric reasons and are appointed a guardian you will receive one of these letters which was happening before Obama. There are tons of off-label uses for various anti-depressants (nerve pain from injuries being one) that will not result in administrative action. That includes most guys that claim PTSD. I know Police Officers that are being treated for PTSD, doesn't mean they are ready to explode or anything remotely like that. I have a crushed elbow I take two drugs, one generally for seizures and one generally for depression (from the VA) but they were prescribed totally for pain relief (crushed ulnar nerve) so I would not have to take narcotics.
Furthermore Homeland Security better have cause in writing to access your medical records from the VA or they will be violating the law. I don't trust government at all but at least get the facts right a couple of decades plus..
If you are in fact declared "incompetent" there will be a line on you NCIC listing showing so. Forwarded by the VA or any other medical facility that reports commitments public or private).
The guy that posted his letter - did you appeal and if so were you successful. This is not about banning physically impaired veterans, mentally impaired beyond a certain point, that has been the rule for a long long time.
Furthermore Homeland Security better have cause in writing to access your medical records from the VA or they will be violating the law. I don't trust government at all but at least get the facts right a couple of decades plus..
If you are in fact declared "incompetent" there will be a line on you NCIC listing showing so. Forwarded by the VA or any other medical facility that reports commitments public or private).
The guy that posted his letter - did you appeal and if so were you successful. This is not about banning physically impaired veterans, mentally impaired beyond a certain point, that has been the rule for a long long time.
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Back to the original post.
This is a real concern. Here's an article about it from a "public health" perspective at a blog published by Harvard Law School.
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/billof...-gun-laws-mental-illness-and-violence-part-3/
Numerous other sources confirm that the Veteran's Administration has decided that if you aren't fit to manage your own finances, you aren't fit to possess a gun, and they're actively turning over lists of disabled veterans to the NCIC. This will cause these vets will get "flagged" and stopped from buying a gun or getting a gun permit or getting that permit renewed. It could result in felony charges, but I haven't heard of that happening yet.
I haven't looked in detail at all the links in the OP on page 1 of this thread. But don't dismiss this thread as a bunch of tinfoil-hat crap or the latest urban legend.
It's real, or real enough to warrant a deep and careful investigation by all of us who care about liberty and limited government and 2A rights.
(P.S. obviously SOME veterans are mentally unstable enough that they should not have guns. So are SOME non-vets, and others. These people may have been traumatized through no fault of their own. Many bear no moral fault for their current condition. But that doesn't make them any less dangerous. Guns are not for everybody. The trick is to figure out how to identify such people without violating their rights or the rights of others who aren't suffering from those kinds of disabilities, and to treat even the disqualified ones with the dignity and respect they deserve.)
This is a real concern. Here's an article about it from a "public health" perspective at a blog published by Harvard Law School.
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/billof...-gun-laws-mental-illness-and-violence-part-3/
Numerous other sources confirm that the Veteran's Administration has decided that if you aren't fit to manage your own finances, you aren't fit to possess a gun, and they're actively turning over lists of disabled veterans to the NCIC. This will cause these vets will get "flagged" and stopped from buying a gun or getting a gun permit or getting that permit renewed. It could result in felony charges, but I haven't heard of that happening yet.
I haven't looked in detail at all the links in the OP on page 1 of this thread. But don't dismiss this thread as a bunch of tinfoil-hat crap or the latest urban legend.
It's real, or real enough to warrant a deep and careful investigation by all of us who care about liberty and limited government and 2A rights.
(P.S. obviously SOME veterans are mentally unstable enough that they should not have guns. So are SOME non-vets, and others. These people may have been traumatized through no fault of their own. Many bear no moral fault for their current condition. But that doesn't make them any less dangerous. Guns are not for everybody. The trick is to figure out how to identify such people without violating their rights or the rights of others who aren't suffering from those kinds of disabilities, and to treat even the disqualified ones with the dignity and respect they deserve.)
Amazing what some people will swallow..... Don't confuse this issue with facts and question anyone's "feelings". One of our own members post his letter from 2012 and is the proof. He is discounted and discredited. He post an actual copy of his letter in an adobe format and 120 of >2,000 viewers of the thread bothered to open it.....
Some willfully ignorant men will not believe it's a turd that you are warning them about until they pick it up and take a big bite out of it. I don't know why? It defies logic. Perhaps it threatens their self esteem.....
All it takes is just one government contracted doctor to strip a person of their rights, no due process, no judge, no jury and no day in court. What could go wrong?
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Yes you can appeal with both medical representation and legal. Read it all. You have ONE YEAR to appeal.
I don't like the fact the VA can do this but it is not some "Star Chamber".
Of course
handling VA funds and firearms possession should not be linked...case in point my brother does not get VA benefits but he receives treatment and medications for memory loss due to a rocket blast near his position while working as a contractor. So he is not sent one of these letters but if he received disability for being injured on AD he would ...that's insane BS.
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Of course you can appeal, appeal and wait. Being denied basic individual rights without due process by the decision of "one" government employee is a terrible precedent to be allowed. Sure they are doctor but then so was Major Nidal Hasan. He was a specialist in mental health.
It appears you may have failed to read where our Mr. Smith appealed and even involved his senator to no avail. Don't underestimate the power of bureaucracy. If a fellow member sold/sells Mr. smith a gun knowing what we know they would face potential jail time. Why?
Understand well the power of precedence, once established (tolerated) it is hard to change. Don't ever tolerate the intolerable or we may expect a lengthy battle to change it, so don't allow it.
To comprehend just what is actually occurring since 2011 to our veterans and not be totally pissed speaks to how far we have fallen from our rights. The media's silence is saddening as they are to be our eyes and ears. Attempting to justify the actions of our government in these cases, understanding the loss of "due process", initiated by a paid government employee is simply sickening and an affront to my and anyone senses who ever served.
Oh but it's for "public safety" the buzzword of tyrants to control the population for generation after generation. Without proper judicial proceedings bearing due process a citizen should NEVER have their rights revoked indefinitely based upon a paid government employee.
But this is about "gun rights" and it gets a pass. What if it revoked the right to vote or speak freely....
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