My first rifle was a 30-30 marlin no scope 1970 Christmas present from Santa I was 8 years old.went to hunting club that afternoon in Jones county.sit on a gas line with dad. 2 deer came out on the second hill from where we were sitting on the ground..my dad sad lay down on the ground ,and use that bank of dirt to prop on,and bust that one on the right ass.i shot and the deer hit the ground had to be at least 200 yds.i think back and it had to be that 4 pters day to die.the shot hit about 6 inches below head in the neck.