I get it. If you want all those features, in the long run you'll come out ahead by purchasing the Shadow Systems rather than buying a Glock and paying someone to do the upgrades. Same with the ZEV.
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PSA Dagger? Is it really any good?
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I get it. If you want all those features, in the long run you'll come out ahead by purchasing the Shadow Systems rather than buying a Glock and paying someone to do the upgrades. Same with the ZEV.
almost bought a Zev, but at the time I was reading about extractor issues with a $1600 pistol and went with Shadow Systems. no malfunctions so far, but less than 500rnds down the tube so far.
I'm interested in the PSA Dagger, personally, I just don't like the track record I've seen. I'm considering purchasing a completely stripped frame, or a buying a complete one and stripping it. Replace with all Glock parts, and drop an OEM Glock slide assembly on it.
I'm not interested in it because it's cheap. I'm interested in it because I like the feel, as many other members here do. It also solves several of the complaints I have about the G19 that's my EDC.
The folks that I have actually had conversations about their Dagger were all using cheap PSA parts, or questionable "upogrades". I wouldn't doubt if the problems lie in those areas. I haven't talked to someone that has used a Dagger frame with proven, quality parts in it. I'm sure those folks are out there, I just haven't met 'em.
All my concerns about the Dagger also exist with the P80 handguns. Last one the shop purchased brand new from a distributor, I had to replace the entire fire control group with a factory Glock unit just to get it to function dry-firing.
Anyone run the Anderson Kiger for any length of time? I have zero feedback on that one.
I'm not interested in it because it's cheap. I'm interested in it because I like the feel, as many other members here do. It also solves several of the complaints I have about the G19 that's my EDC.
The folks that I have actually had conversations about their Dagger were all using cheap PSA parts, or questionable "upogrades". I wouldn't doubt if the problems lie in those areas. I haven't talked to someone that has used a Dagger frame with proven, quality parts in it. I'm sure those folks are out there, I just haven't met 'em.
All my concerns about the Dagger also exist with the P80 handguns. Last one the shop purchased brand new from a distributor, I had to replace the entire fire control group with a factory Glock unit just to get it to function dry-firing.
Anyone run the Anderson Kiger for any length of time? I have zero feedback on that one.
I have had good luck with Sub2000's, although they all seem to come with crooked rear sights... The KSG and KS7 were very hit or miss with reliability... A lot of their pistols I owned back in the day, required swapping out plastic guide rods for metal, and doing a fluff and buff to get them to feed and run right...
They have some neat out of the box designs, but the reality of owning them just never quite stacks up, with a few exceptions like the Sub2k that seem to be very reliable...
cmshoot ,
I dont think the glock internals will match up wrh the frame. Dagger uses roll pins to hold it together verus the glock style pins.
It might be possible to replace most no all on the lower.
I do like the actual slide cuts versus the "MOS plates" system.
Interesting! I'll pull the next Dagger that comes in and check.
One of the dudes that works for me said that he can drop 100% of the Gen3 Glock parts in his Dagger frame with no issues. Now I'm gonna have to check for myself.
A Glock has to be one of the least expensive handguns to build there is simply because of the materials involved. I would imagine that could be replicated fairly easily. I've worked at injection molding plant and those kind of things are spit out of injection molding machines in multiples in two minute cycles. As soon as the poly hits the mold it cools for a few minutes and then spits it out. Then it's just a few metal parts and a barrel and a few other parts. I can't imagine cost much more than a hundred bucks to produce those kinds of guns.
I dont think the glock internals will match up wrh the frame. Dagger uses roll pins to hold it together verus the glock style pins.
It might be possible to replace most no all on the lower.
I do like the actual slide cuts versus the "MOS plates" system.
Totally agree on the direct mounting vs Glock's MOS.
Y'all got me paying more attention to the Dagger now than I have before. Just got done messing around with 2 frames; a Compact and a Full Size-S.
It may be me putting too much thought into it, but the fact that the 4 frame rails aren't "fixed", as in permanently molded into the frame, does concern me. I guarantee there's a certain amount of movement in those rails, and I would think that this movement could worsen over time. I'm not liking that the parts that connect the slide and frame together can move.
This is supposition on my part, influenced by issues I've seen in various firearms over the years.
In the Glock, the 4 frame rails are permanently molded into the receiver. I can't recall ever hearing of any issues with Glock frame rails cracking, chipping, bending, or working loose. I'll have to do some research.
It may be me putting too much thought into it, but the fact that the 4 frame rails aren't "fixed", as in permanently molded into the frame, does concern me. I guarantee there's a certain amount of movement in those rails, and I would think that this movement could worsen over time. I'm not liking that the parts that connect the slide and frame together can move.
This is supposition on my part, influenced by issues I've seen in various firearms over the years.
In the Glock, the 4 frame rails are permanently molded into the receiver. I can't recall ever hearing of any issues with Glock frame rails cracking, chipping, bending, or working loose. I'll have to do some research.
I have just as guilty of considering it myself over a AR-10 build but just gave up ok on the idea and just buy really good parts a little at a time to build it right to begin with. It's really intoxicating to take the " get it all now cheap " rather than spending more and doing it over more a little time. Like I said it almost sucked me in as well. In the case of a Glock that should be a no brainer if there is that many negative responses about the lower priced copy.
I retract my initial post after hearing the response from our community. The fact that the slide and frame medal parts are not integrated in the molded parts is a reason for concern. On poly guns as wear accumulates that will take a toll on those parts. Seen it to many times in attempts to reduce weight on mechanical parts and equipment.
I retract my initial post after hearing the response from our community. The fact that the slide and frame medal parts are not integrated in the molded parts is a reason for concern. On poly guns as wear accumulates that will take a toll on those parts. Seen it to many times in attempts to reduce weight on mechanical parts and equipment.
