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9mm revolver

The 38 Super will operate in a revolver without moonclips. Straight walled case with a semi-rim, like the 32ACP

ahh YEP!
it should fit you use the standard 38 Super brass.(not no rim comp brass)
and got a good bit more power than the standard 9MM or 38 spl.
course you can't hardly find a semi chambered in 38 Super much less a revolver.
 
9mm revolvers have been tried before, and they were not commercially successful.

Why not? Why is .38 special the only centerfire caliber people like for small frame defensive-carry revolvers?

Because for most defensive purposes its more than good enough for the job?
Also because .38 predates 9mm Parabellum by... a lot. It was a standard service and police handgun until the adoption of self-loading pistols. So it persists because there are so many of them still around, and the cartridge stays popular because it is cheap and can also be fired easily (without fiddly bits) in .357 Mag revolvers.
 
I have the Ruger LCR in 9mm and I love it.

Ballistics are as good as most 357 out of the short barrel, and it's slightly less recoil to boot. Beats 38 Spl hollow in energy and velocity, and with today's 9mm rounds it's also more likely to expand and be effective.

Since the LCR was designed to index of the case mouth you can shoot it w/o moonclips just fine. With brass ammo and a clean cylinder you'll get 1-2 reloads before the empties stop just falling out when you tip the gun up and slap the butt against your palm. With nickel-plated ammo I've gone through 5 cylinders before any hiccups. Of course it does use moon-clips as well, and they are available on Ruger's site pretty cheap.

I really don't know why more people don't go for these over 38 special snubbies. I carry a 9mm FNS Compact so a revolver as a backup that uses the same ammo is a no-brainer.
 

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I have the Ruger LCR in 9mm and I love it.

Ballistics are as good as most 357 out of the short barrel, and it's slightly less recoil to boot. Beats 38 Spl hollow in energy and velocity, and with today's 9mm rounds it's also more likely to expand and be effective.

Since the LCR was designed to index of the case mouth you can shoot it w/o moonclips just fine. With brass ammo and a clean cylinder you'll get 1-2 reloads before the empties stop just falling out when you tip the gun up and slap the butt against your palm. With nickel-plated ammo I've gone through 5 cylinders before any hiccups. Of course it does use moon-clips as well, and they are available on Ruger's site pretty cheap.

I really don't know why more people don't go for these over 38 special snubbies. I carry a 9mm FNS Compact so a revolver as a backup that uses the same ammo is a no-brainer.

YES!!!
What He said!!!:becky:
 
The South Carolina State Police used 9mm J-Frame S&W940's for a while.

I am not sure what the reason was for stopping the practice, but I suspect the belief that the a 9 is not enough bullet had a lot to do with it. Particularly after the departments started using the 40. And, since a 40 probably won't fit in a backup sized revolver, the concept became obsolete.

I will that the 357 has considerably more power than a 9 in any size barrel. The difference gets greater the longer the barrel gets.
 
... I will bet that the 357 has considerably more power than a 9 in any size barrel. The difference gets greater the longer the barrel gets.

Not really. From Ballistics by the Inch (http://ballisticsbytheinch.com/index.html)

9mm Luger Muzzle Energy (various loadings and manufacturers)
4" 1444 1316 1226 1265 1094 1039 1140 1061 951 1203
3" 1345 1245 1170 1215 1029 976 1073 988 902 1108
2" 1215 1134 1061 1132 948 909 985 900 837 1074

and 357 Magnum
4" 1286 1496 1394 1471 1511 1293 1453 1332
3" 1109 1257 1172 1271 1255 1102 1194 1122
2" 928 904 911 1050 949 858 919 914

In general the 357 needs more barrel to work up it's better velocity. Once you start getting up to the 5-6" range the 357 is the leader for sure, but 9mm actually works a little better in a snubby and you don't have the huge flash of unburnt powder either.
 
I looked at the data source that you are referring to, and I see what you are saying. I still do not agree.

Here is why:
the same data source includes a real world guns chart in which the 357 from a 3.0 inch derringer outperforms a 9mm in a 2.9 inch and 3.6 inch gun. There is an anomaly involving 3.0 inch ParaOrdenance barrel which has impressive numbers.

Having owned and fired a 9mm revolver with a 3 inch barrel and comparing it to my 2 inch 357, I can say that the 357 always out performed the 9mm, but in fairness, I must also say that I never ran the super hot Corbon or +P in my 9mm. The 9 did have a extra inch of barrel which only helped it n the comparison.

Regarding ammo: Store bought SD rounds are seldom loaded to the max in a 357.

I do agree that the data is out there to support the 9mm in a snub concept, but I just have not seen it play out the same way in my own experiences.
 
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