Anyone have any experience with the SANDMAN K silencer?

[ShooterG]

I have not heard the K, but shot the S and L at one of Quiet Riots shoots. If it were me I would get the S.

I'm a bit confused about why all their promotional talk about the Sandman-K and their website has "Length added 2.9" when the overall can is 5.4". That 2.9 is added to the end of the required muzzle brake - so only 1.4" less than the S. They don't have the "Length Added" marketing BS on any of their other cans.

I will say I love companies with good people and Mike Pappas was the coolest dude there and I want to give him as much money as my suppressor budget allows - (sorry Mike, that's currently zero dollars).

 

[KERTWOOD]

I will say I love companies with good people and Mike Pappas was the coolest dude there and I want to give him as much money as my suppressor budget allows - (sorry Mike, that's currently zero dollars).

I agree... I'm a big Dead AIR fan as well as I have three of their cans (SM-S, Ghost and Mask)

 

[ak47311]

Again... you are still in planning stages of it while I on the other hand have two functioning suppressed AK's. But you got it buddy, like I said eailer, good luck with your endeavors. I bow out as I can't arguee with a nut swinging know it all with no personal first hand experience in what we're discussing.

Lol, sounds like you're more of an expert on me and my experience than you are suppressing AKs. If you were, you would've got it right the first time and not had to "fine tune" it.

 

[KERTWOOD]

Lol, sounds like you're more of an expert on me and my experience than you are suppressing AKs. If you were, you would've got it right the first time and not had to "fine tune" it.

I apologize as I have a problem coming across to some people. All I was trying to do was give some insight on my experiences suppressing the AK platform and possibly lend a hand.

The dead air PBS-1 is a low back pressure can and being so keeps the carrier speed somewhat manigable on MOST of the AK's running them but, be warned that the carrier on MOST AK hits the rear trunnion. It's simply just the way they were desigined and that's the reason for the long rear support rivet and two smaller rivets in the trunnion.

Here's a video of the AK in slow motion without dust cover. Notice the carrier striking the rear trunnion.

This is a problem when running high pressure cans like the Omega, Saker, Sandman Series and so on. The extra pressure from the can paired with the already over pressured /gassed AK is a recipe for disaster. It will absolutely beat the rear trunnion out of place.

Why is a AK over pressured you ask? It's desigined that way so that they will run in all adverse conditions.

And while I'm at it...

Why is the AK so loud when Suppressed? Again, it's desigined with loose tolerances to run in adverse conditions. This lets gasses escape from different areas throughout the rifle. On top of that, the gas tube is ported on some variants.

Why is the bore not concentric? Because the commies CHF process was not about precision, instead it was for production. They wanted to mass produce the AK as cheap as they could and as fast as they could. That's why they went to a stamped receiver from the original milled design. To cut cost and reduce steps for production.

These issues while running a can is the main reason why mfg are coming out with adjustable pistons and gas blocks. Until now we've had to Figure out ways to reduce carrier speed and chance the concentricity issue.

Which brings me to my last point... In the suppression world pretty much nothing is plug and play. I don't care how many videos you watch, who you know or what you read, there are to many variations to combat in getting the said platform to run reliably. If there wasn't then there wouldn't be so many mfg making parts to aid in such things. So, there is no secret recipe to get it right the first time a 100% of the time. Murphy's Law my friend!

Take this for what's it's worth... I was simply trying to help.

 

[Burdy]

Sub'd. I need another 30 cal can. Just cause.

On a auto SBR it's basically a blast shield according to your ears, but maybe not the meter. It's loud and not hearing safe. For a 16" gun, you will be right at the threshold. For me it's the perfect can for a short bolt gun build. I would run the S on your autos.

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