Yep, ignore logic. That's the best way to make a decision like this. Hey, it's only life or death.
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What did mine look like?Logic is showing your gun collection on a open forum
We (most of us) do apologize as we didn't give you the opportunity you hoped for.
But now that we're best friends and agree that the 223 round is best for home defense can you jump over to that thread and show us your collection?
As I said in that thread, the response is what I expected.
The moment you find it necessary to exaggerate the apposing view, you have lost the debate. The more extreme the exaggeration, the greater the loss.
Like I said earlier... we can agree that we disagree but you just keep pushing the fact that a over penetrating round of a high powered rifle is a better close quarters home defense round than a contained shotgun round is asinie... But, ignorance is bliss. I now bow out as I cant argue with stupidity.
You think a .223 overpenetrates?
Did you research that, in tests with varmint ammo?
45-55 grain ballistic tips and soft points?
It fragments, makes HUGE wounds in several inches of tissue, but loses penetration very quickly in either flesh or building materials like wood or drywall.
Did you research that, in tests with varmint ammo?
45-55 grain ballistic tips and soft points?
It fragments, makes HUGE wounds in several inches of tissue, but loses penetration very quickly in either flesh or building materials like wood or drywall.
I don't want to argue which round or platform is best suited here. I just want to ask this question. If you fired the first round of .223 or 5.56 indoors at night wouldn't you then immediately be blinded and deaf for the next few very crucial minutes? I'm just assuming that the muzzle blast especially from short barreled pistol versions would be a camera flash right in your face and an air horn in both ears.
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So you are confident that the round you are using won't kill a police officer responding to your 911 call if you miss the bad guy? Show me a rifle round that can't go through dry and vinyl siding and still be lethal and I will show you round I dont want to be.useing for pd
I do think the 300 blackout with a subsonic round would be ok. However I would not recommend an AR platform for someone with little knowledge of firearms who will most likely not spend much if any time training. A short barrel autoloader with #4 is pretty lethal at close range, patterns well enough at short distance, isn't terrible on recoil.
And recoil may not be a factor. My 74 year old dad and 76 year old uncle regularly shoot hot 454 loads. And the occasional 500. They would laugh at forks who think a 44 mag has a lot of recoil. So it depends on the person. Just because thy are elderly doesn't make them feeble
