Looks like Colt ain't givin' up....

[jaxyaks]

Serious question. I’m not an operator and I don’t operate…lol but why would special forces units choose a 1911 platform gun? Wouldn’t you want more capacity on board? It seems to me a handgun for a special forces operator is the last resort weapon not the first choice. I would want something reliable in every situation with lots of rounds. Precision work needs to be done with long guns right?

Its the 45 ACP round and size and customizability of the 1911 platform. If you can hit what you are trying to shoot, capacity drops a bit below hard hitting round in importance. You have to remember, they are still constrained by FMJ bullets.

When you are spitting distance in a fight over a rifle in a small room and need to draw your sidearm and plant a round inches from your adversary to get them off of you do you want a FMJ 45 or FMJ 9mm. I know what I would choose, If you need to clear a room with your sidearm because your primary weapon went down do you want a 45 ACP FMJ or 9mm....I like my odds with the 45 personally

 

[ReservoirDawg10]

Its the 45 ACP round and size and customizability of the 1911 platform. If you can hit what you are trying to shoot, capacity drops a bit below hard hitting round in importance. You have to remember, they are still constrained by FMJ bullets.

Handgun rounds aren't "hard hitting." 45 AARP included. Go boomer somewhere else.

 

[November Sierra]

Its the 45 ACP round and size and customizability of the 1911 platform. If you can hit what you are trying to shoot, capacity drops a bit below hard hitting round in importance. You have to remember, they are still constrained by FMJ bullets.

When you are spitting distance in a fight over a rifle in a small room and need to draw your sidearm and plant a round inches from your adversary to get them off of you do you want a FMJ 45 or FMJ 9mm. I know what I would choose, If you need to clear a room with your sidearm because your primary weapon went down do you want a 45 ACP FMJ or 9mm....I like my odds with the 45 personally

If you're doing any of that it's with a team that will cover you until you get your rifle back up.

Why wouldn't you use the option that has less recoil and holds more ammunition?

 

[lostchild]

If you're doing any of that it's with a team that will cover you until you get your rifle back up.

Why wouldn't you use the option that has less recoil and holds more ammunition?

‘Cause it also has less stopping power?

 

[jaxyaks]

If you're doing any of that it's with a team that will cover you until you get your rifle back up.

Why wouldn't you use the option that has less recoil and holds more ammunition?

You are assuming a lot by assuming that there will always be a team to back you up, What if recoil did not matter, (it actually doesn't in the use we are talking about here, and your accuracy rate of hitting your target is close to 100% (ever seen a delta team clear a room with a live hostage). would you not want the round more likely to put someone down quickly rather than expending multiple rounds to do the same job, (remember your talking about FMJ here). Most of the guys you are talking about can actually choose which caliber they want, and which pistol they want, if Colt developed a pistol specifically for them, it would stand to reason that there were enough of the guys requesting a pistol that does what they built.

 

[jaxyaks]

If you're doing any of that it's with a team that will cover you until you get your rifle back up.

Why wouldn't you use the option that has less recoil and holds more ammunition?

What if 4 of your 5 man team is dead, and you are all alone on a mountain side and each round needs to have a reasonable expectation of putting someone down more often than not.....not far fetched...its actually happened.

 

[lostchild]

What if 4 of your 5 man team is dead, and you are all alone on a mountain side and each round needs to have a reasonable expectation of putting someone down more often than not.....not far fetched...its actually happened.

But, but, (whiney voice) the recoil…

 

[November Sierra]

What if 4 of your 5 man team is dead, and you are all alone on a mountain side and each round needs to have a reasonable expectation of putting someone down more often than not.....not far fetched...its actually happened.

We can play "what if" all day. It's incredibly unlikely I'm going to be reenacting lone survivor. If we're talking purely fmj then give me 9mm. CNS getting shot by an 11mm vs 9mm isn't going to make a difference.

 

[November Sierra]

What if 4 of your 5 man team is dead, and you are all alone on a mountain side and each round needs to have a reasonable expectation of putting someone down more often than not.....not far fetched...its actually happened.

Also why would you more than half your capability when ammunition choice won't matter?

 

[jaxyaks]

Also why would you more than half your capability when ammunition choice won't matter?

We can play "what if" all day. It's incredibly unlikely I'm going to be reenacting lone survivor. If we're talking purely fmj then give me 9mm. CNS getting shot by an 11mm vs 9mm isn't going to make a difference.

Unless you are a tier one operator, you are correct, the likelihood of being left on a mountain alone in enemy territory is almost nil. But remember this discussion was not about what the everyday guy would do or why they might want to select one firearm/round over another. The everyday guy needs all the rounds they can spray with minimum recoil as not to offend weak wrists and recoil shyness. so I agree, the 9mm would probably be a better choice for that guy. And that guy did actually have a Beretta 92 on that mountainside so that is what he though was best. But I can see why the other round would also work quite well despite any capacity issues. Which I personally think is an overrated requirement and sometimes can be a crutch, but that is for another discussion.

But ammunition choice does actually matter when you are looking at both rounds in the required configuration, and countless uses of the 45acp FMJ are there to show the terminal ballistics of that round.

The question should not actually be about the round because 45 ACP FMJ is better than 9mm FMJ....The question should actually be, why use a 1911 platform when there are platforms that allow you to double your capacity using the 45 ACP.