RDS vs Irons

[Bypass]

So you don’t bring the dot to the target, just like bringing the front site to the target?
In real world we have to be ready to aim from cover, move to cover, run, hide, and scream like a girl. All the time while our adrenaline is making our muscles shake and twitch in controllably.
We also have to take into account present our weapon in unconventional manners hitting door frames, steering wheels, building corners and any other thing that may get in the way of our bodies and weapons. Hell even if you have drawn your weapon a thousand times there is a good possibility you will at best fumble the draw, or at worst drop it.

And do not say it will not happen to you, if so you are only fooling your self.

Adding anything to my personal carry weapon that could be damaged or compromised in such situations, is a no go IMO.

I'm not saying I ever did that but I may have. Shhhh.

 

[ReservoirDawg10]

So you don’t bring the dot to the target, just like bringing the front site to the target?

I get that reflex sites are more robust and dependable than earlier ones.
But you know what changes? You do.
Unless you are in regular life endangering scenarios, and train in those environments like military in actual combat, swat, etc.
Fine motor skills erode for the best, for the rest of us they go straight to hell.
You will do, say things that later you cannot even remember, and no one understands.

In real world we have to be ready to aim from cover, move to cover, run, hide, and scream like a girl. All the time while our adrenaline is making our muscles shake and twitch in controllably.
We also have to take into account present our weapon in unconventional manners hitting door frames, steering wheels, building corners and any other thing that may get in the way of our bodies and weapons. Hell even if you have drawn your weapon a thousand times there is a good possibility you will at best fumble the draw, or at worst drop it.

And do not say it will not happen to you, if so you are only fooling your self.

Adding anything to my personal carry weapon that could be damaged or compromised in such situations, is a no go IMO.

All those situations affect iron sights as well. You have to train. Period. Irons or rds.

You do know that irons can cowitness, right? Anything that I have a rd on has irons that are usable as well. Except for a mk4, but plinking fun gun, so who cares. But it has been lethal to squirrels.

 

[Bypass]

All those situations affect iron sights as well. You have to train. Period. Irons or rds.

You do know that irons can cowitness, right? Anything that I have a rd on has irons that are usable as well. Except for a mk4, but plinking fun gun, so who cares. But it has been lethal to squirrels.

Nah. I've trained enough in my life.................. Like riding a bike or driving a nail as a SF captain said to me once. "Any idiot can pull a trigger."

 

[ROCK6]

So again, I agree with you in most part. However, what is have found through the years is that RDS's make up for poor disciplined shooters much more than they do those that understand and adequately apply the fundamentals.
Can you be faster with a RDS? Yes.
Can you be more accurate with an RDS? Yes.

However I view an RDS in the same way that I view chatgpt, can it help you if used properly? Absolutely. However, most times it's used to cover up inadequacy in practice and performance.

No argument there. The fundamentals are necessary. Any optic advantage won't overcome bad fundamentals. Also, I'm old school enough that even with optics, I always have backup (or co-witness) irons.

 

[Ken Ford]

All those situations affect iron sights as well. You have to train. Period. Irons or rds.

You do know that irons can cowitness, right? Anything that I have a rd on has irons that are usable as well. Except for a mk4, but plinking fun gun, so who cares. But it has been lethal to squirrels.

Not nearly as easily effected as a small optic of glass, plastic and super light weight metal.

And unless you are running suppressor height sites they are not “co witnessed”

The FN you showed has suppressor height sites and still doesn’t reach high enough to see through your “RDS”

 

[charlie hotel lima]

 

[ReservoirDawg10]

Not nearly as easily effected as a small optic of glass, plastic and super light weight metal.

And unless you are running suppressor height sites they are not “co witnessed”

The FN you showed has suppressor height sites and still doesn’t reach high enough to see through your “RDS”

Yes it does cowitness. Not absolute, but lower 1/3. And I haven't posted a pic of a gun in this thread.

And many guns now come with "suppressor Height" sights so as to be cowitnessed.

And plastic? Only my glock sights are plastic. Optics? Metal.

 

[Huey Deer Processing]

Yes it does cowitness. Not absolute, but lower 1/3. And I haven't posted a pic of a gun in this thread.

And many guns now come with "suppressor Height" sights so as to be cowitnessed.

And plastic? Only my glock sights are plastic. Optics? Metal.

Pretty sure he’s referring to the FN510 I posted earlier in the thread, but yes the suppressor height sights co-witness perfectly with the optic.
I get blood and guts on the optic every day of the season carrying at work.
Pour a little water on it and wipe it off and it’s good as new.

 

[Fatal_Bert]

So you don’t bring the dot to the target, just like bringing the front site to the target?

I get that reflex sites are more robust and dependable than earlier ones.
But you know what changes? You do.
Unless you are in regular life endangering scenarios, and train in those environments like military in actual combat, swat, etc.
Fine motor skills erode for the best, for the rest of us they go straight to hell.
You will do, say things that later you cannot even remember, and no one understands.

In real world we have to be ready to aim from cover, move to cover, run, hide, and scream like a girl. All the time while our adrenaline is making our muscles shake and twitch in controllably.
We also have to take into account present our weapon in unconventional manners hitting door frames, steering wheels, building corners and any other thing that may get in the way of our bodies and weapons. Hell even if you have drawn your weapon a thousand times there is a good possibility you will at best fumble the draw, or at worst drop it.

And do not say it will not happen to you, if so you are only fooling your self.

Adding anything to my personal carry weapon that could be damaged or compromised in such situations, is a no go IMO.

You just made an excellent argument for having an RMR.

The only downside you mention it the possibility of it failing, but the probability of it giving you an edge that saves your life (faster and more shots on target) is way higher than the probability of an RMR failing. Not to mention an RMR failing doesn't mean you can't still aim and shoot.

 

[lostchild]

You just made an excellent argument for having an RMR.

And an up-to-date will.