Steel framed .40. Yea, Glock ruined the 40.
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.40, why/why not?
- Thread starter ckarr
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Yea, to think they could have a improved on it even more if they didn't drop the design. I used to carry the 1066 until I realized how few they made.
Somewhere back in this heap of a thread, a few comments were made about fighting your way to a long gun, and the likelihood of that being feasible.
Here's a little blurb written about the topic by Ayoob. I'll admit he ain't one of my favorite folks, but he is usually reliable.
"That’s a convenient excuse for not carrying those things, but it’s unrealistic. In the case just mentioned, Sergeant Gramins began in his patrol car with a 12 gauge Remington 870 pump shotgun in an overhead rack and an AR-15 patrol rifle in the trunk, and it happened so fast that he was never able to deploy anything but the pistol on his hip and the magazines in his belt pouches.
Perhaps the most famous gunfight of the 20th century was the shootout between suspects Michael Platt and William Matix and a squad of FBI agents in Dade County, Florida, on April 11, 1986. Platt, armed with a .357 revolver and a stolen Mini-14 rifle, killed two FBI agents and wounded five more, three permanently. He inflicted all of that trauma with what was on his person at the opening of the encounter.
Of the agents, the only one to employ a long gun was Ed Mireles, who had his Remington 870 in hand when the fight started. He emptied that shotgun even though severely wounded, and then at the end of the fight emptied his S&W Model 686 revolver, killing the two perpetrators. Supervisory Special Agent Gordon McNeill got off the first police shots of the fight, wounding Matix, but when he was wounded too badly to reload his empty revolver, he was unable to get back to his car for the shotgun before Platt fired another .223 round that crippled him for life.
The history of gunfighting is, when the fast and furious shooting starts, what we have on our person is all that we’re likely to have to fight with."
- See more at: http://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2014/10/5-gunfighting-myths-debunked-massad-ayoob/#ray-martinez
Here's a little blurb written about the topic by Ayoob. I'll admit he ain't one of my favorite folks, but he is usually reliable.
"That’s a convenient excuse for not carrying those things, but it’s unrealistic. In the case just mentioned, Sergeant Gramins began in his patrol car with a 12 gauge Remington 870 pump shotgun in an overhead rack and an AR-15 patrol rifle in the trunk, and it happened so fast that he was never able to deploy anything but the pistol on his hip and the magazines in his belt pouches.
Perhaps the most famous gunfight of the 20th century was the shootout between suspects Michael Platt and William Matix and a squad of FBI agents in Dade County, Florida, on April 11, 1986. Platt, armed with a .357 revolver and a stolen Mini-14 rifle, killed two FBI agents and wounded five more, three permanently. He inflicted all of that trauma with what was on his person at the opening of the encounter.
Of the agents, the only one to employ a long gun was Ed Mireles, who had his Remington 870 in hand when the fight started. He emptied that shotgun even though severely wounded, and then at the end of the fight emptied his S&W Model 686 revolver, killing the two perpetrators. Supervisory Special Agent Gordon McNeill got off the first police shots of the fight, wounding Matix, but when he was wounded too badly to reload his empty revolver, he was unable to get back to his car for the shotgun before Platt fired another .223 round that crippled him for life.
The history of gunfighting is, when the fast and furious shooting starts, what we have on our person is all that we’re likely to have to fight with."
- See more at: http://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2014/10/5-gunfighting-myths-debunked-massad-ayoob/#ray-martinez
If that were true there would be more USPSA Production Class shooters running .40S&W instead of 9mm.
A great shooter can always capitalize on minor changes in equipment, like less recoil.
That has been my experience as well.
The 40 is a fine suppressed caliber.
Scores don't fire back.
180's or larger?
