About 30 yards
No clue on the ammo
Whatever he had in the mags
I was the only one that could hit the 18x18 plate
The sights were off so bad On the FN
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About 30 yards
No clue on the ammo
Whatever he had in the mags
I was the only one that could hit the 18x18 plate
The sights were off so bad On the FN
I skipped over 20 pages of commentary to post this one brief answer:
The reason more people aren't carrying the 5.7mm is because we have doubts about a 40-grain pill at under 2000 f.p.s. to shatter bones and penetrate deep through the chests of muscular convicts who've been lifting weights in the prison they just were released from (or escaped from).
And it's an experimental round. It hasn't been widely adopted by either military or police agencies. Evan Marshall didn't examine dozens or hundreds of shooting incidents with that 5.7mm round and give it a "one shot stop" rating. Massad Ayoob can't tell us about how it worked to drop some bad guy in some shooting that one of his LFI students had, or in some case where he was called to testify as an expert witness.
For those who say the 5.7 x 28mm LOOKS GOOD, you're saying it looks good ON PAPER, and based on tests on ballistic gelatin.
The other calibers that most of us choose for our primary carry weapons (not little deep-concealment pocket guns) are all proven performers with a long track record of real-world use.
I would carry a 5.7 x 28mm pistol, or carbine, for defense. And I wouldn't really worry too much that it won't get the job done. I would just "prefer" a round that has more weight behind it. If I thought "light and fast" was the key to stopping power (and it is the key to kinetic energy, since the formula is mass times velocity TIMES VELOCITY again), then I would have bought some of those ultra-light 9mm +P rounds that featured 50 or 80 grain projectiles at 1500+ f.p.s. I never did. I stuck with at least 115 gr. in my 9, and I normally carry 124 grain.
P.S. As a criminal lawyer and former prosecutor, I've talked to a number of homicide detectives, coroners, medical examiners, and GBI ballistics expert witnesses. I have asked several of them what they think of the "what caliber is best for self-defense" question. Most have no real preference, and all of them agree that shot placement is by far the main thing in stopping a bad guy.
The reason more people aren't carrying the 5.7mm is because we have doubts about a 40-grain pill at under 2000 f.p.s. to shatter bones and penetrate deep through the chests of muscular convicts who've been lifting weights in the prison they just were released from (or escaped from).
And it's an experimental round. It hasn't been widely adopted by either military or police agencies. Evan Marshall didn't examine dozens or hundreds of shooting incidents with that 5.7mm round and give it a "one shot stop" rating. Massad Ayoob can't tell us about how it worked to drop some bad guy in some shooting that one of his LFI students had, or in some case where he was called to testify as an expert witness.
For those who say the 5.7 x 28mm LOOKS GOOD, you're saying it looks good ON PAPER, and based on tests on ballistic gelatin.
The other calibers that most of us choose for our primary carry weapons (not little deep-concealment pocket guns) are all proven performers with a long track record of real-world use.
I would carry a 5.7 x 28mm pistol, or carbine, for defense. And I wouldn't really worry too much that it won't get the job done. I would just "prefer" a round that has more weight behind it. If I thought "light and fast" was the key to stopping power (and it is the key to kinetic energy, since the formula is mass times velocity TIMES VELOCITY again), then I would have bought some of those ultra-light 9mm +P rounds that featured 50 or 80 grain projectiles at 1500+ f.p.s. I never did. I stuck with at least 115 gr. in my 9, and I normally carry 124 grain.
P.S. As a criminal lawyer and former prosecutor, I've talked to a number of homicide detectives, coroners, medical examiners, and GBI ballistics expert witnesses. I have asked several of them what they think of the "what caliber is best for self-defense" question. Most have no real preference, and all of them agree that shot placement is by far the main thing in stopping a bad guy.
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This is good input! I am sure the weight scares off a lot of people around here... Cough cough 1911 guys.
Just because its good on paper and hasnt been tested well enough yet doesnt mean that it is NOT effective, it merely means we dont know yet. So in reality, I could in fact be on to something here.
Stopping power isn't real.
Crack cocaine is real though. Which does have an effect on any rounds "stopping" power.
