Shoot Out!

[ATLEMT]

I am not going to get into things that sound fishy in the story.

But from a tactics standpoint. if someone was brandishing a firearm at me while driving i think slamming on the brakes and getting out of the vehicle would have been a better move. that way if they continue to attack you are not in a moving vehicle, you are able to get better aim of the attacker and situation around it. and you can use more than a window for cover/concealment.

I was not there and am not trying to armchair quarterback anything but just tossing out my opinion. Im glad there was no loss of life on either end of this ordeal.

 

[chaostat]

Yeah, shooting the windshield was a bit much. The side window sure, the front one. I dunno.

We are all arm chair quarter backing. The aggressor "could have been" retreating when they sped up, or they "could have been" trying for a better angle to continue. Those three rounds in the windshield "could have been" the reason the aggressor KEPT going.

 

[chaostat]

I don't know who this post was intended for it, but it doesn't go far in defending a "road rage" position.

Luke

I think he means: If you pull a ****ing gun on me lead is flying mother ****er. Shoot the ****ing ****ers before they ****ing shoot you.

I have been a victim of road rage , the guy never pulled a weapon, and I was on the phone with the police and they were able to intervene. My situation would have been a whole **** lots different had the dude broke leather like the one described in the OP.

 

[RamRoddoc]

Gentlemen,

The intent of the post was to discuss the role of a "car/truck" gun and ammunition of choice. It was not to speculate whether this was a good shooting or not. The local law enforcement agency and 911 was activated at the earliest possible moment. No one mentioned the nearly 30 minute wait for LEO.

So far the facts are the investigating officer concurred he would have dropped hammer, the local LEO are searching for a dirt bag who pulled a gun on a U.S. Army (former) Ranger. Marketableranger is at home alive with family. Perhaps the instigator will strongly reconsider threating a stranger with a deadly weapon. All too many young misguided men think that with a gun they are empowered to intimidate the public with a threat of force. It is unwise to threaten a well-trained armed man with deadly force.

I am absolute in thought that a FMJ would have done better no matter what the caliber but experience informs me a .45 or perhaps a .40 would have done better within the limitations of a pistol round. I have seen significant bullet deflection from glass windows, a small branch or other obstacle within the path of a chosen target prevent a round arriving at its intended target both on the range and in the field. There is no substitute field experience and training is the key to success. This story is but merely an after action review. What went wrong and what corrective action could be made in order to prevent it's repetition. It's a learning tool. Ignore, dismiss, redirect at will but simply said the weapon/ammo combination failed in this scenario. Keys to success are mindset, situational awareness, flexibility, training and equipment.

As it is said winners train until they get right and professionals train until they can't get it wrong. I like to see professionalism.

Things have changed in the last 30 years and if someone has a junk car or truck, it would be awesome to offer it up to a shooting test with different brands of ammo. Posting pics and detailing the results would be greatly appreciated. The thickness of metal car/truck bodies has significantly been reduced and I doubt the .45 will do worse. Perhaps the 9mm will do better. Bonded bullets are better but they are less than perfect and hunters have seen this first hand from their inception. I'll continue to carry a .45 in my truck with a magazine of hardball accessible.

One cannot have too many options nor be over prepared.

 

[Ken Ford]

I call BS,

 

[Luke]

Gentlemen,

The intent of the post was to discuss the role of a "car/truck" gun and ammunition of choice. It was not to speculate whether this was a good shooting or not. The local law enforcement agency and 911 was activated at the earliest possible moment. No one mentioned the nearly 30 minute wait for LEO.

So far the facts are the investigating officer concurred he would have dropped hammer, the local LEO are searching for a dirt bag who pulled a gun on a U.S. Army (former) Ranger. Marketableranger is at home alive with family. Perhaps the instigator will strongly reconsider threating a stranger with a deadly weapon. All too many young misguided men think that with a gun they are empowered to intimidate the public with a threat of force. It is unwise to threaten a well-trained armed man with deadly force.

I am absolute in thought that a FMJ would have done better no matter what the caliber but experience informs me a .45 or perhaps a .40 would have done better within the limitations of a pistol round. I have seen significant bullet deflection from glass windows, a small branch or other obstacle within the path of a chosen target prevent a round arriving at its intended target both on the range and in the field. There is no substitute field experience and training is the key to success. This story is but merely an after action review. What went wrong and what corrective action could be made in order to prevent it's repetition. It's a learning tool. Ignore, dismiss, redirect at will but simply said the weapon/ammo combination failed in this scenario. Keys to success are mindset, situational awareness, flexibility, training and equipment.

As it is said winners train until they get right and professionals train until they can't get it wrong. I like to see professionalism.

Things have changed in the last 30 years and if someone has a junk car or truck, it would be awesome to offer it up to a shooting test with different brands of ammo. Posting pics and detailing the results would be greatly appreciated. The thickness of metal car/truck bodies has significantly been reduced and I doubt the .45 will do worse. Perhaps the 9mm will do better. Bonded bullets are better but they are less than perfect and hunters have seen this first hand from their inception. I'll continue to carry a .45 in my truck with a magazine of hardball accessible.

One cannot have too many options nor be over prepared.

To the point of debate, I will share with you my thoughts. There was a time when I carried nothing but Hydro Shoks in my 1911, but a few years ago, some bodies and I started discussing the best round for the 1911. After talk and test, we went back to round that John Browning designed the 1911 around. The adoption of the .45 acp came about because the .38 was ineffective against the "determined" opponents of the Philippines. The .45 acp did the job and one hundred years later, the round and the gun will still it well.

Luke

 

[Luke]

I call BS,

Ken, tell us why a LEO would call it BS.......

Luke

 

[Cigar Dave]

To the OP, I didn't read all of the post...but was/is there a verifiable news article regarding this?

 

[Aimless]

I call BS,

You'll be needing some of this then I guess. I brought plenty for you, me and the others.

 

[RamRoddoc]

You'll be needing some of this then I guess. I brought plenty for you, me and the others.

Good luck keeping the peanut gallery well supplied, I think you need a bigger roll.