Shotguns with "tactical" buckshot, different barrel lengths and options

[cmshoot]

Honestly, I can run 2-4 rounds out of my Remington 870 as fast as most folks can run 2-4 out of their SBR. That's all rounds with accuracy, all to the desired target area. I can run my Benelli M1 Super 90 even faster. I can empty the Benelli fast enough to fire the last round before the first hull hits the ground, with accuracy.

Yes, I can run my M4's faster than I can my shotgun, but I'm more concerned with how fast I can get the FIRST round on target, rather than how fast I can dump 5-6. When it comes to first round fired, for me it's a tie with the Rem870, Benelli, or M4.

I'm not trying to sell anyone on the shotgun for HD. It's a good choice, but not the best for everyone.

If you already have a carbine or SBR setup that you prefer to run, then there's no reason to swap to a shotgun.

Conversely, if you're already using a shotgun with a proper load, there's no reason to switch to a carbine or SBR.

 

[cmshoot]

Can't really equate a 00 buck pellet with a 9mm handgun round. While similar in diameter (.32" for 00 buck vs .355" for 9mm), there is big difference in weight; approximately 54grns for a 00 buck pellet vs 115-147grns for the most commonly used 9mm bullets. Additionally, there can be quite a difference in velocity, depending on what shotgun load you're using; anywhere from about 1,000fps up to 1450fps or so.

 

[Bear44]

I can fire a pump shotgun pretty fast. The closer you are the tighter the pattern. So all the bullets still go in and go it faster. Guy has a vest on? I could put half that pattern on his head + neck area.
Image was stole from Lucky Gunner. There is an article similar to this post.

Speed is a matter of recoil recovery and again, there isn't going to be a pattern at typical HD ranges.

There are folks out there that can absolutely smoke a shotgun. I saw Eric Lund outrun the action on a semi auto one time while shooting individual targets. Absolutely amazing speed. All you have to do is shoot a few hundred thousand rounds and you can be proficient with a shotgun, too.

 

[cmshoot]

Speed is a matter of recoil recovery and again, there isn't going to be a pattern at typical HD ranges.

There are folks out there that can absolutely smoke a shotgun. I saw Eric Lund outrun the action on a semi auto one time while shooting individual targets. Absolutely amazing speed. All you have to do is shoot a few hundred thousand rounds and you can be proficient with a shotgun, too.

Like with any weapon system, perfect practice makes perfect! Erik Lund is definitely not the average shotgunner!

I've run a shotgun pretty religiously since 1990 or so, especially the Remington 870, Benelli M1/M2, and Ithaca 37. Running a pump shotgun well is a more difficult skill than running say an AR or AK. This means more practice to become proficient. Kinda like having the skills to run a revolver well vs running a Glock well.

 

[GAgunLAWbooklet]

I know a way to get a perfect pattern with no spread at all as far out as you want.

Me too.

Here's a pump action "home defense shot'n gun" in .30 caliber.
Throws a .308 pellet at 2600 fps and is accurate to a few hundred meters.
No stray pellets, no wide patters, with the Remington 760/ 7600.

 

[cmshoot]

I'm not gonna try to change anyone's mind on the shotgun. One of my longtime students contacted me about combat shotguns last year. I know how well he can run an M4, and he has several in both 16" and SBR variations. He asked me to convince him why he should add a shotgun to his "arsenal" for HD. I told him with no hesitation that I didn't have an argument for him; if he didn't want a combat/HD shotgun, he didn't need one. He had his HD angle well covered with his M4's.

There are those of us that like a shotgun, however, especially the versatility when it comes to ammunition (really, that's the shotgun's strongest feature).

 

[Bear44]

I'm not gonna try to change anyone's mind on the shotgun. One of my longtime students contacted me about combat shotguns last year. I know how well he can run an M4, and he has several in both 16" and SBR variations. He asked me to convince him why he should add a shotgun to his "arsenal" for HD. I told him with no hesitation that I didn't have an argument for him; if he didn't want a combat/HD shotgun, he didn't need one. He had his HD angle well covered with his M4's.

There are those of us that like a shotgun, however, especially the versatility when it comes to ammunition (really, that's the shotgun's strongest feature). I used a 20" USMC-issue Remington 870, loaded with Winchester 00 buck, in my first gunfight and I've had a liking for them every since. Of course, I run AR's and AK's very well also.

I'll offer one other positive about shotguns for HD. You can get reliable pump actions at a very reasonable price.

 

[MaconGuns]

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Me too.

Here's a pump action "home defense shot'n gun" in .30 caliber.
Throws a .308 pellet at 2600 fps and is accurate to a few hundred meters.
No stray pellets, no wide patters, with the Remington 760/ 7600.

If you live in the city, Your neighbor can recover your bullet for you from the back of his minivan.

 

[cmshoot]

I'll offer one other positive about shotguns for HD. You can get reliable pump actions at a very reasonable price.

Definitely true! I've bought LE trade-in Remington 870 Police models for $175 plus tax. Ain't gonna find a good carbine nowadays at that price.

 

[REDX]

Speed is a matter of recoil recovery and again, there isn't going to be a pattern at typical HD ranges.

There are folks out there that can absolutely smoke a shotgun. I saw Eric Lund outrun the action on a semi auto one time while shooting individual targets. Absolutely amazing speed. All you have to do is shoot a few hundred thousand rounds and you can be proficient with a shotgun, too.

You should take one of his shotgun classes, then you will change your mind. Only SBR I would run in my house would be my 9mm Suppressed. My shotgun is still my first choice though and highly doubt there would a need to reload, most perps would try to bug out after the first shot (if they are still standing)