Them MSC suckers work GREAT !!! To bad they are on discs now them don't work so hot !The best host bar none screw what everybody says is the Savage FV-SR. It is stupid accurate with everything from mini mags down to cci quiet stuff. And that only thing you hear is the firing pin and a slight "thump". May or may not have shot it in my apartment into a MSC supply book (don't worry im on the end so no chance of hitting anything but a brick wall)