Can an 18 yr old carry a shotgun in his car?

[LethalEdge]

Some additional information. On the Mossberg site they state:

How old do you have to be to buy a Mossberg Shockwave? The Mossberg Shockwave is a firearm, not a long gun. Federal Law requires purchasers of firearms to be 21 years of age.

Also

Do not carry the Mossberg Shockwave concealed. If this gun is carry concealed, it would be defined by BATFE as an A.O.W. and the user could be charged with possession of an unregistered NFA weapon.

 

[glocker]

If there was probable cause they would not ask ergo they are violating your rights by performing a fishing trip. Last I heard it was $1,000/minute.

At the scene the police are in charge. All they have to do is sprinkle some crack on you and you are done.

 

[gh1950]

Some additional information. On the Mossberg site they state:

How old do you have to be to buy a Mossberg Shockwave? The Mossberg Shockwave is a firearm, not a long gun. Federal Law requires purchasers of firearms to be 21 years of age.

Also

Do not carry the Mossberg Shockwave concealed. If this gun is carry concealed, it would be defined by BATFE as an A.O.W. and the user could be charged with possession of an unregistered NFA weapon.

I'll bet Mossberg didn't run that by their lawyers before posting it up.

On the first item, federal law prohibits FFLs from selling certain firearms (short guns) to person under 21. Federal law says nothing about private sales of firearms to persons under 21, which is generally controlled by state law. In Georgia there is no prohibition on the sale of any firearm to a person 18 years or older who has no disabilities from owning a firearm.

On the second point, I'm not so sure about that, but not enough not so sure as to say Mossberg is wrong. If they are correct, the only way you could legally carry a Shockwave would be open carry, which sort of defeats the purpose. I've never seen where BATFE regulated how a weapon can be carried, or made a determination that changed the classification of a weapon based on how it is being carried. Whether or not a gun configuration is concealable goes is part of the initial evaluation, but I cannot imagine the classification changing every time you threw on a coat.

 

[LethalEdge]

I'll bet Mossberg didn't run that by their lawyers before posting it up.

On the first item, federal law prohibits FFLs from selling certain firearms (short guns) to person under 21. Federal law says nothing about private sales of firearms to persons under 21, which is generally controlled by state law. In Georgia there is no prohibition on the sale of any firearm to a person 18 years or older who has no disabilities from owning a firearm.

On the second point, I'm not so sure about that, but not enough not so sure as to say Mossberg is wrong. If they are correct, the only way you could legally carry a Shockwave would be open carry, which sort of defeats the purpose. I've never seen where BATFE regulated how a weapon can be carried, or made a determination that changed the classification of a weapon based on how it is being carried. Whether or not a gun configuration is concealable goes is part of the initial evaluation, but I cannot imagine the classification changing every time you threw on a coat.

Not disagreeing with you. However, the letter from the BATF that is included with the Shockwave does say, “Please note if the subject firearm is concealed on a person, the classification with regard to NFA may change.” Too much grey area with this firearm, such that my shockwave won’t be my truck gun.

 

[timboce]

anything in conflict with the constitution is null and void! ARTICLE 6 Paragraph 2 The supremacy clause & its already been established by the supreme court in Marberry VS. Maddison in 1803 volume 5 US page 137 By honorable judge john marshal chief justice supreme court! you can sue these cop’s & politicians for $10,000 for every right they brake!

A necessary & properly armed militia can come to gather and decide to tell these politician’s that by breaking down our constitution your giving aid and comfort to the enemy of our country which is breaking the law title 18 of United states code section 2381 which say’s

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death being hung by the neck at noon & shall remain there until dusk , or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States. EVEN THE ARMS ACT, THE BRADY BILL AND ANY NEW LAWS ARE NULL & VOID!. NOW WHAT PART OF SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED DON'T THEY UNDERSTAND!

 

[timboce]

The Definition a License is "A personal privilege to do some particular act or series of acts any personel belonging without possessing any estate or interest therein", and is ordinarily revocable at the will of the licensor and is NOT assignable. The permission by competent authority to do an act which, without such permission, would be illegal TOTALLY or, a trespass, a tort, a clear violation of LAW and/or otherwise totally NOT ALLOWABLE UNDER ANY CONDITION!!! See People vs. Henderson, 391 Mich. 612, 218 N.W. 2nd 2 @4. A permit granted by an appropriate governmental body, generally for a consideration, A FEE, to a person, firm, or Corporation to pursue some occupation or to carry on some business subject to regulation under the POLICE POWER of Government. Please see 9th & 10th Amendments of THE U.S. CONSTITUTION. Pay special attention to the phrase "nor prohibited by it" or Rights previously guaranteed may not be enumerated away by addition onto the CONSTITUTION, or denied or disparaged away by adding onto it.



DECIDE!!!

NO STATE may convert a RIGHT into a PRIVILEGE and require a LICENSE or FEE for the exercise of that RIGHT!!! Please see MURDOCK vs. PENNSYLVANIA, 319 U.S. 105, and if a STATE does erroneously do require A LICENSE OR FEE for exercise of the RIGHT, the Citizen may IGNORE THE LICENSE AND OR FEE and exercise the RIGHT WITH TOTAL IMPUNITY!!! Please see SCHUTTLESWORTH vs. BIRMINGHAM 373 U.S. 262. YOU CAN NOT BE PUNISHED FOR THE EXERCISE OF A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT!!! Please see MILLER vs. UNITED STATES 230 F.2nd 486. You have a PERFECT DEFENSE TO THE ELEMENT OF WILLFULLNESS if you rely on the advice of Counsel or upon a DECISION OF THE UNITED STATES.




American Jurisprudence Book 16: Constitution Law Section 16Am Jur 2d:

16Am Jur 2d., Sec. 97:

“Then a constitution should receive a literal interpretation in favor of the Citizen, is especially true, with respect to those provisions which were designed to safeguard the liberty and security of the Citizen in regard to person and property.” Bary v. United States - 273 US 128

“Any constitutional provision intended to confer a benefit should be liberally construed in favor in the clearly intended and expressly designated beneficiary”

(You are the Beneficiary of the US Constitution)

 

[timboce]

Hiring an Attorney just shows you are incompetent. all it takes is the knowledge of Marberry Vs Maddison & TWO other court cases & you will win every time & the prosecutor will have to pay!

 

[jeep78]

Hiring an Attorney just shows you are incompetent. all it takes is the knowledge of Marberry Vs Maddison & TWO other court cases & you will win every time & the prosecutor will have to pay!

You can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride.

 

[timboce]

You can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride.

I don't argue with a cop who's IQ is below a hundred on the side of the rd, but i will own him in the court & he will pay me $10,000 for every one of my rights he broke! Yes even you can do this it happens every day by those who know the constitution & how these fraudulent courts work! you first have to establish Jurisdiction on common law not tribunal! We have been lied to for hundreds of years but if you can keep a cool head & speck the language Quickly. you can control the out come of any case including murder! & traffic court what a joke! mine are dismissed every time! Speeding, no tag, ECT...... "your honor i ask for an immediate Dismissal since there is no sign grievances by a third party where relief may be granted" see in common law if there is no harm to property or someones body or personal rights, THEN NO CRIME HAS BEEN COMMITTED!

 

[Zeake]

20 years in firearms sales. This idea is very very bad and could ruin your sons life one day. Shockwave style shotguns are bad ideas. I know too many officers that think they are illegal weapons. I won't even stock them. An 18.5 inch shotgun with a stock is a better idea but still not a good one.