ATF guidelines to buying and trading Firearms

[Ken Ford]

I realize that. My argument was that it should not be that way.

You are right, but the law is the law and supported by SCOTUS so until it's is somehow overturned we have to abide by that law.

 

[Revolver]

You are right, but the law is the law and supported by SCOTUS so until it's is somehow overturned we have to abide by that law.

Again, I understand that.

 

[Trader805]

Ken - Great post and very informative. The more educated we are on a subject, the better we can converse on the actual subject. Seems most on ODT would fall under personal collector, but it seems a few would easily be qualified as a dealer - based on the info - and are doing it as a business. Is what it is..., but these definitions are not new.

 

[SOLGardener]

How about if you specifically purchase guns to resell to law abiding individuals in private sales, without an effort to make a profit, and rarely even breaking even, solely to remove them from federal tracking efforts? Would THAT be a firearms dealer?

 

[joewilly]

Good info - thanks Ken.

 

[Tony2X]

How about if you specifically purchase guns to resell to law abiding individuals in private sales, without an effort to make a profit, and rarely even breaking even, solely to remove them from federal tracking efforts? Would THAT be a firearms dealer?

lolwut

 

[Gadgetsrfun]

Must apply for licence. LOL

 

[Adams454]

How many background checks are needed if you have a M&G and shoot each others guns, transferring them back and forth lots of times?

 

[Trader805]

How about if you specifically purchase guns to resell to law abiding individuals in private sales, without an effort to make a profit, and rarely even breaking even, solely to remove them from federal tracking efforts? Would THAT be a firearms de

That, would make it a 'straw purchase', which would make you a criminal. LOL

 

[SOLGardener]

lolwut

do you suppose that there is no effort to keep up with who has what? Futile maybe, but ATF has been keeping 4473's for a very long time despite the illegality of it.
https://twg2a.wordpress.com/2013/02/21/goa-background-checks-atfs-illegal-copying-of-4473-forms/


for it to be a straw purchase, the buyer would have to be purchasing it for a "[prohibited individual".
See--> http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/supreme-court-tightens-definition-straw-purchase

In the situation I mentioned, I expressely noted that the hypothetical buyer is selling to "law abiding citizens" (to the best of his knowledge- to do otherwise would be immoral, unethical and illegal, specifically due the the "straw purchase)