Bear44 that's exactly what I'm saying. I know at 300 with the particular load I shoot out of my 308 if I hold at the top of a 17in circle I hit dead center. By no holdover I mean not coming off the animal. As far as a humane kill a 308 has the energy for a much further shot. Most of us just don't have the property in ga to take that shot. I love a pile of calibers the 308 is just preference for perfiperfor vs recoil and practicality.