Ok, I get what you were saying now. Although with the built in safeties in Glocks I would say that carrying with a round in the chamber is more like carrying in condition 1.
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How Do You Carry A 1911
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Ok, I get what you were saying now. Although with the built in safeties in Glocks I would say that carrying with a round in the chamber is more like carrying in condition 1.
Grab gun, pull trigger, gun fires = Condition 0 or condition 2. Any other condition requires another physical step which must be taken in order for the weapon to fire.
This. Condition 0. Same as a 1911 sitting there, hot, with no safety engaged.
A 1911 in Condition 2, must first be cocked before you can pull the trigger and the gun fire. Condition 2 is round chambered, hammer down. Since a 1911 is Single Action only, you must pull the hammer back to make it so that the trigger can activate it.
Luke
If I carried a 1911, it'd be 'cocked and locked'.
But since I normally carry a Sig, then hammer down, one in the pipe.
And, because the hammer is not actually touching the firing pin, I don't have 'that' as a worry.
I also don't like to have to think about sweeping a safety, but that's all about practice with your carry weapon.
But since I normally carry a Sig, then hammer down, one in the pipe.
And, because the hammer is not actually touching the firing pin, I don't have 'that' as a worry.
I also don't like to have to think about sweeping a safety, but that's all about practice with your carry weapon.
Maybe I'll start keeping my 1911 unchambered, hammer back with the safety on! 
Conditions of Readiness as outlined by Jeff Cooper:
Devised by pistol expert Jeff Cooper, this convention is used to designate the state of readiness of a m1911 pistol. It can also be applied to most other designs of auto loading pistols. There are 5 conditions 0 - 4.
Condition 0 - A round is in the chamber, the hammer is cocked, and the safety is off. (if safe action no hammer or safety is present)
Condition 1 - Also refereed to as "cocked and locked", this means that a round is in the chamber, the hammer is cocked, and the manual thumb safety is on.
Condition 2 - A round is in the chamber, the hammer is uncocked (or decocker was deployed before holstering).
Condition 3 - There is no round in the chamber, the hammer is uncocked but a fully loaded magazine is inserted in the magazine well.
Condition 4 - The chamber is empty, the hammer is uncocked and there is no magazine inserted in the magazine well (or unloaded magazine inserted into the magazine well.)
Condition 1 is the preferred state of readiness if carrying a Single Action autoloader like the 1911 as it offers the best balance between safety and readiness. It does seem menacing to the untrained as the sight of a cocked hammer makes some people needlessly nervous. With Safe Action pistols such as Glock, the hammer and safety are off without being as obvious to the untrained onlooker.
Condition 2 is not recommended in the 1911 as it has no decocker and would entail pulling the trigger and slowly lowering the hammer on a loaded chamber. This both violates a gun safety rule and renders you with a gun that will not fire even if the trigger is pulled. And should the hammer slip you will then have a negligent discharge and possibly a broken thumb when the slide hits it on the recoil. On a DA/SA pistol with a decocker, such as the H&K USP Variant 1, this is a safe and ready way to carry. Where you can draw the pistol with a longer/heavier double action first pull of the trigger.
Condition 3 offers an added margin of safety as there is actually no round in the chamber but has the disadvantage of taking a relatively longer time to get into action. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) is trained to carry their sidearms this way and hence the name "Israeli Draw".
Condition 4 is by far the safest way to carry a firearm, but is no way to carry a concealed sidearm for self defense, unless there are legal reasons you can not carry a loaded firearm. Should you be unfortunate enough to be in such a country, carry a gun anyway, three seconds to put a gun in action still beats not having a firearm.
Devised by pistol expert Jeff Cooper, this convention is used to designate the state of readiness of a m1911 pistol. It can also be applied to most other designs of auto loading pistols. There are 5 conditions 0 - 4.
Condition 0 - A round is in the chamber, the hammer is cocked, and the safety is off. (if safe action no hammer or safety is present)
Condition 1 - Also refereed to as "cocked and locked", this means that a round is in the chamber, the hammer is cocked, and the manual thumb safety is on.
Condition 2 - A round is in the chamber, the hammer is uncocked (or decocker was deployed before holstering).
Condition 3 - There is no round in the chamber, the hammer is uncocked but a fully loaded magazine is inserted in the magazine well.
Condition 4 - The chamber is empty, the hammer is uncocked and there is no magazine inserted in the magazine well (or unloaded magazine inserted into the magazine well.)
Condition 1 is the preferred state of readiness if carrying a Single Action autoloader like the 1911 as it offers the best balance between safety and readiness. It does seem menacing to the untrained as the sight of a cocked hammer makes some people needlessly nervous. With Safe Action pistols such as Glock, the hammer and safety are off without being as obvious to the untrained onlooker.
Condition 2 is not recommended in the 1911 as it has no decocker and would entail pulling the trigger and slowly lowering the hammer on a loaded chamber. This both violates a gun safety rule and renders you with a gun that will not fire even if the trigger is pulled. And should the hammer slip you will then have a negligent discharge and possibly a broken thumb when the slide hits it on the recoil. On a DA/SA pistol with a decocker, such as the H&K USP Variant 1, this is a safe and ready way to carry. Where you can draw the pistol with a longer/heavier double action first pull of the trigger.
Condition 3 offers an added margin of safety as there is actually no round in the chamber but has the disadvantage of taking a relatively longer time to get into action. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) is trained to carry their sidearms this way and hence the name "Israeli Draw".
Condition 4 is by far the safest way to carry a firearm, but is no way to carry a concealed sidearm for self defense, unless there are legal reasons you can not carry a loaded firearm. Should you be unfortunate enough to be in such a country, carry a gun anyway, three seconds to put a gun in action still beats not having a firearm.
IMO: Don't carry out of your comfort zone. Same as riding a motorcycle. Stay in your comfort zone. My Kimber stays cocked and locked with an open holster because I'm comfortable with it. When I first starting carrying, it was a Glock with a full mag and empty chamber because it made me nervous. Eventually, I got used to the idea of carrying a loaded weapon and comfortable with that weapon. Again just my IMO: an unloaded gun is a death sentence. But ain't it cool we have so many options???
Take care, ride safe, fair winds and following seas.
Take care, ride safe, fair winds and following seas.
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