PSA done gone and done it... PSAK-47 GEN3 w/forged trunnion, bolt, and bolt carrier

[Jeddak]

It's probably a manufacturing culture issue.
So Sequioas and Land cruisers are super close to the same SUV, just a few differences.
When Toyota built the Sequioa plant here in the US, they brought in the same machines and sourced the materials from the same vendors as their LandCruiser line and the finished goods are nothing alike: sequoios give off a cheap feeling, landcruisers a luxory one. Sequios tend to look like **** after a few years and the Landcruiser still feels new. What's the difference? The people at the plants.

Different underpinnings and suspension, among other things. LC is designed and engineered for much rougher roads and usage.

 

[Omega]

I hope you're not talking about american worker motivation lacking compared to their soviet peers. Remember the old They pretend to pay us, we pretend to work joke. More truth than joke in that one.

I will say QC is heavily involved when it depends on ones dinner. I realize we all feel overworked and underpaid, but I eat better than cabbage and potatoes

 

[czub]

I will say QC is heavily involved when it depends on ones dinner. I realize we all feel overworked and underpaid, but I eat better than cabbage and potatoes

Everything is relative. When everyone around you only eats cabbage and potatoes, you're content with cabbage and potatoes.

The problem with the old soviet system, and it's very similar to what many modern politicians advocate whether they realize it or not, is that everyone was guaranteed basic cabbage and potatoes regardless of performance ($15 minimum wage, universal basic income, various social safety nets). If you perform above and beyond, you may get an extra potato of a few slices of bread (whatever is left over after you're taxed at 70-90% on income above $x). Other than personal satisfaction, this really removes most of the incentive to work hard or work smart.

 

[Jeddak]

The problem with the old soviet system, and it's very similar to what many modern politicians advocate whether they realize it or not, is that everyone was guaranteed basic cabbage and potatoes regardless of performance....

Not true of the Soviet system. There was NO guaranteed potatoes and cabbage. If you did not work, you went to jail. US has a much more generous social safety system than USSR ever had. USSR constitution had a right to work, not to income or food or housing. There were no section 8 houses.
It did not matter how well you worked, you got paid the same, but u worked. If you did not work, police would haul u away.
My parents and I survived by growing our own food and working our tails off. I weeded potatoe fields since I was 5. No one gave us food. There was no community food bank to help us.

 

[Smoothie]

It's probably a manufacturing culture issue.
So Sequioas and Land cruisers are super close to the same SUV, just a few differences.
When Toyota built the Sequioa plant here in the US, they brought in the same machines and sourced the materials from the same vendors as their LandCruiser line and the finished goods are nothing alike: sequoios give off a cheap feeling, landcruisers a luxory one. Sequios tend to look like **** after a few years and the Landcruiser still feels new. What's the difference? The people at the plants.

Put down the bottle and step AWAY from the keyboard....

 

[czub]

Not true of the Soviet system. There was NO guaranteed potatoes and cabbage. If you did not work, you went to jail. US has a much more generous social safety system than USSR ever had. USSR constitution had a right to work, not to income or food or housing. There were no section 8 houses.
It did not matter how well you worked, you got paid the same, but u worked. If you did not work, police would haul u away.
My parents and I survived by growing our own food and working our tails off. I weeded potatoe fields since I was 5. No one gave us food. There was no community food bank to help us.

You're reading this too literally. No one was handing out heads of cabbage but jobs were plentiful and readily available to anyone even remotely interested (Green New Deal).

The US has a better social safety net system in absolute terms, largely because we still enjoy a capitalist market system that generates great wealth and affords various social benefits, but in relative terms the soviet system was far more extensive. One year maternal leave, almost free day care, free education, including graduate and post graduate college, free healthcare and government pension at 55 for men and 50 for women. Oh, and most housing was section 8-like in a sense that it was heavily subsidized to the point of being almost free.

Now, I know this actually doesn't sound too terrible so before y'all run to vote for Bernie, realize that all of it was crap. Quality, quantity, timing - everything was crap. But everyone was equal* in their guaranteed misery so it was ok.

*As always, some were more equal than others or knew someone more equal than others.

 

[Jeddak]

Have you lived in USSR? I have, for 19 years, since the day I was born there.
I do not know where to start. You make USSR and Communism sound too nice.
I am replying to you because present-day USA is MUCH, MUCH more Socialistic in its nature than a country I grew up in. 99% of Americans do not realize it. They need to know.

You're reading this too literally. No one was handing out heads of cabbage but jobs were plentiful and readily available to anyone even remotely interested (Green New Deal).

Not true, my mom could not find a job in her field for almost 10 years, after I was born.

The US has a better social safety net system in absolute terms, largely because we still enjoy a capitalist market system that generates great wealth and affords various social benefits, but in relative terms the soviet system was far more extensive. One year maternal leave,

Yes, we received one year of minimally paid maternity leave. You were not guaranteed your old job back, once it was over. You had to look for a new job. My mom went without ANY job for 5 years, after she had me, could not find a job, till she started working at the warehouse (has graduated Cum Laude with a Teaching degree).

almost free day care

If you could get in. Waiting lists for day care center not affiliated with factories were years long (My mom has taught in daycares since 1971, she retired 5 years ago. I know that industry well). Factory affiliated day care centers had waiting list a year+ long.

free education, including graduate and post graduate college

Yep, free, if you paid enough bribes to a right person and was accepted. I had applied to a provincial university (had graduated HS with a gold medal, an equivalent of US Valedictorian), competition was 25 to 1. 25 Applicants to one college seat. Each college accepted only a certain number of candidates. I was in top 10 applicants in English, score wise. I did not get one of 30 seats. We were told bluntly since my parents had not bribed the Dean, I would not be accepted.
Competition in MGU (Moscow University) was several hundred to 1. Guess who got in?

free healthcare

If you survived to receive it. I waited a year for a free EMERGENCY eye surgery, waited another year for a surgery on my second eye. By the second surgery I was 13, so I did not qualify for a full anesthesia, under the free medicine guidelines. 13 old had his eye cut out under local anesthesia.
Or the time when I was in the hospital, sick with pneumonia and we had to pay someone we knew to get antibiotics that I needed (hospital did not have any). We did not trust the nurses not to steal it and resell it, so we gave them the vials right before I got the shot.

and government pension at 55 for men and 50 for women

If you got paid. My dad went without pension OR being paid by his second, post retirement job for 3 years. He was still expected to come to work and do his job.

Oh, and most housing was section 8-like in a sense that it was heavily subsidized to the point of being almost free.

Again, years long waiting lists for apartments. You got married and lived with your parents, until your turn on the list came up, or you paid off to be moved up the list. I remember my dad and his buddies cover the windward side of our apartment building with sheet metal. Building had being condemned years ago, so no one cared to keep it up. Pacific typhoons drove rain right thru the brick and plaster to the inside. Another year he and his buds re-roofed the whole building, our ceilings leaked. We had nowhere else to go.
And how can I forget communal apartments, with several families sharing the same kitchen and bathroom!

Now, I know this actually doesn't sound too terrible so before y'all run to vote for Bernie, realize that all of it was crap. Quality, quantity, timing - everything was crap. But everyone was equal* in their guaranteed misery so it was ok.

*As always, some were more equal than others or knew someone more equal than others.

Agree.

 

[300_whisper]

Have you lived in USSR? I have, for 19 years, since the day I was born there.
I do not know where to start. You make USSR and Communism sound too nice.
I am replying to you because present-day USA is MUCH, MUCH more Socialistic in its nature than a country I grew up in. 99% of Americans do not realize it. They need to know.


Not true, my mom could not find a job in her field for almost 10 years, after I was born.


Yes, we received one year of minimally paid maternity leave. You were not guaranteed your old job back, once it was over. You had to look for a new job. My mom went without ANY job for 5 years, after she had me, could not find a job, till she started working at the warehouse (has graduated Cum Laude with a Teaching degree).


If you could get in. Waiting lists for day care center not affiliated with factories were years long (My mom has taught in daycares since 1971, she retired 5 years ago. I know that industry well). Factory affiliated day care centers had waiting list a year+ long.


Yep, free, if you paid enough bribes to a right person and was accepted. I had applied to a provincial university (had graduated HS with a gold medal, an equivalent of US Valedictorian), competition was 25 to 1. 25 Applicants to one college seat. Each college accepted only a certain number of candidates. I was in top 10 applicants in English, score wise. I did not get one of 30 seats. We were told bluntly since my parents had not bribed the Dean, I would not be accepted.
Competition in MGU (Moscow University) was several hundred to 1. Guess who got in?


If you survived to receive it. I waited a year for a free EMERGENCY eye surgery, waited another year for a surgery on my second eye. By the second surgery I was 13, so I did not qualify for a full anesthesia, under the free medicine guidelines. 13 old had his eye cut out under local anesthesia.
Or the time when I was in the hospital, sick with pneumonia and we had to pay someone we knew to get antibiotics that I needed (hospital did not have any). We did not trust the nurses not to steal it and resell it, so we gave them the vials right before I got the shot.

If you got paid. My dad went without pension OR being paid by his second, post retirement job for 3 years. He was still expected to come to work and do his job.

Again, years long waiting lists for apartments. You got married and lived with your parents, until your turn on the list came up, or you paid off to be moved up the list. I remember my dad and his buddies cover the windward side of our apartment building with sheet metal. Building had being condemned years ago, so no one cared to keep it up. Pacific typhoons drove rain right thru the brick and plaster to the inside. Another year he and his buds re-roofed the whole building, our ceilings leaked. We had nowhere else to go.
And how can I forget communal apartments, with several families sharing the same kitchen and bathroom!



Agree.

God that sounds awful. I didn’t mean to derail the thread. Just trying to understand how American manufacturing screws up the AK platform. Thanks for your insights.

 

[Jeddak]

Sorry about derailing the thread.

 

[300_whisper]

Sorry about derailing the thread.

No, it’s fine. Interesting life story to be Russian and then make it over to Georgia!