What Glock????
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2 LEO / attorney questions that grew from another thread.
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What Glock????
its actually a tier 3 stop because you can be forced to post a bond on a traffic citation, therefore your vehicle can be impounded and the gun would be entered into evidence as safe keeping. That's if things got bad, but there is no point in lying. Most officers just want to know for their own safety and if you gonna lie about that.. what else may you be lying about. just food for thought
Just wanted to say, I don't know any officers who even utilize the word Tier. We must have Reasonable Suspicion or Probable Cause to stop/detain. No reason is required to have you exit the car. If I want to speak with you outside the car, you have to get out. During a traffic stop, most officers leave you in the car for your own safety. If you lie about anything, you've prolonged the stop and upped the anty until we find out why. I ask EVERYONE I stop if they have any weapons, it's a safety issue for both of us. It has nothing to do with what sticker you have displayed. "Support you local Sheriff" stickers seem to appear on more bad guy's cars than good guys. Bottom line, I try to be professional and respectful and ask that you are too. I'm not after your guns or your money, just doing the job I elected to do. Thanks for you question.
So asking people if they have weapons makes the officer more safe? Tell me more about how dangerous criminals are surprisingly honest.
Usually if I'm running late or just wanna go fast, I carry an extra large box of krispy Irene. When pursuit begins, I pull over, drop doughnut box and leave.
I said it was a safety issue for both of us. This means that it doesn't surprise me when you open the glove box for your insurance card and a weapon falls out. I don't react by stepping backwards into traffic while drawing thinking that you are drawing. The driver doesn't accidently get shot and I don't get ran over. I did not imply that a dangerous criminal would answer honestly but you would really be surprised to know how many do and how many more give themselves away by being poor liars.
I only eat Dunkin Donuts so that just means you get a ticket for littering too. LOL
Don't cloud preconceived perceptions with real world reality.
Robbie Bishop once taught me that "No means no and everything else means yes"
Don't cloud preconceived perceptions with real world reality.
Robbie Bishop once taught me that "No means no and everything else means yes"
You are 100% correct Brother. Hooorahhh!
So I got a speeding ticket last Sunday and I was surprised when the officer asked for my registration.
I said. "I don't want to alarm you, but my gun is in the glove compartment where my registration is"
He said, "What type of gun is it?"
I said "Glock"
"Is it in a holster"
"yes"
"Is there one in the chamber?"
"yes"
He said, "open the glove compartment slowly and remove the firearm"
"OKay, where do you want me to put it?"
"For my safety I would like to unload it, then we'll just leave it on the dash"
I handed it to him since he wasn't going to run the numbers and it was really a light seizure since he was going to leave it on my dash. Otherwise I may have objected depending on the circumstances.
He then asked if I had a carry permit, I said yes and he asked to see it
At the end of the ticket(no warning that bastard, and I work with tons of cops and tried to make my work ID visible{it hangs from my rearview mirror}) he said, "You did everything exactly right with the gun, you didn't have to hand it to me, but I felt safer unloading it myself"
He went on to talk about his support of gun rights, asked me about my job since he saw some of the stuff in my car
I did mention to him that I didn't have any reason to show my carry permit, but didn't mind and he admitted that he didn't have to see it but again it made him more comfortable to know I had it and that it was partly why he didn't mind leaving it on my dash.
I left feeling a bit relieved and angered.
one part of me was happy that he didn't make to big a deal out of it or treat me like a criminal, the other mad because he asked for the gun and ID in a commanding tone admittedly knowing he was not entitled to do either. I had hoped it was a mistaken belief of his, but he actually knew both were beyond my legal duty. Had he said "You don't have to but it would make me more comfortable" I certainly would have obliged, but it's actions like he took that make me want to "take back the right" since it seemed fairly common place for him to take advantage of people's lack of knowledge or nervousness around police officers. Again my job puts me in a situation where I work with many officers of the law, so I empathize with their desire for safety, but I would rather them be honest and upfront about those issues rather than cloaking them as a lawful order.
Also $256 for a 19 over.... sucks that was money for the PSL I wanted but now I'm going to have to hold off.
I said. "I don't want to alarm you, but my gun is in the glove compartment where my registration is"
He said, "What type of gun is it?"
I said "Glock"
"Is it in a holster"
"yes"
"Is there one in the chamber?"
"yes"
He said, "open the glove compartment slowly and remove the firearm"
"OKay, where do you want me to put it?"
"For my safety I would like to unload it, then we'll just leave it on the dash"
I handed it to him since he wasn't going to run the numbers and it was really a light seizure since he was going to leave it on my dash. Otherwise I may have objected depending on the circumstances.
He then asked if I had a carry permit, I said yes and he asked to see it
At the end of the ticket(no warning that bastard, and I work with tons of cops and tried to make my work ID visible{it hangs from my rearview mirror}) he said, "You did everything exactly right with the gun, you didn't have to hand it to me, but I felt safer unloading it myself"
He went on to talk about his support of gun rights, asked me about my job since he saw some of the stuff in my car
I did mention to him that I didn't have any reason to show my carry permit, but didn't mind and he admitted that he didn't have to see it but again it made him more comfortable to know I had it and that it was partly why he didn't mind leaving it on my dash.
I left feeling a bit relieved and angered.
one part of me was happy that he didn't make to big a deal out of it or treat me like a criminal, the other mad because he asked for the gun and ID in a commanding tone admittedly knowing he was not entitled to do either. I had hoped it was a mistaken belief of his, but he actually knew both were beyond my legal duty. Had he said "You don't have to but it would make me more comfortable" I certainly would have obliged, but it's actions like he took that make me want to "take back the right" since it seemed fairly common place for him to take advantage of people's lack of knowledge or nervousness around police officers. Again my job puts me in a situation where I work with many officers of the law, so I empathize with their desire for safety, but I would rather them be honest and upfront about those issues rather than cloaking them as a lawful order.
Also $256 for a 19 over.... sucks that was money for the PSL I wanted but now I'm going to have to hold off.
