2 LEO / attorney questions that grew from another thread.

[chucklenut]

Sounds like good advice. I will try to abide by it more often. Thanks

ya, being stand offish doesnt get you anywhere and who knows you might encounter one of the few police who are polite and arent out to do you bad if they can. but since you cant tell its always best to not volunteer anything, deny all requests from an officer (if they have to ask, they dont have probable cause), and be polite

 

[T-Roy]

I know I'm going to get some grief for this, but I always hand over my license and permit when the officer comes to the window, put my hands back on the wheel, and disclose where the weapon is, that there's one in the chamber, and ask them what they would like me to do.

It may not be "flaunting" my rights but it diffuses the situation. I don't have anything to hide and its my decision to volunteer the info if i want to.

I once had a guy that was so nervous after my disclosure that he was shaking, I'd hate to think what would have happened if I'd been evasive with him and he'd seen the 1911 in a shoulder holster under my coat.

 

[Ken Ford]

Just wanted to say, I don't know any officers who even utilize the word Tier. We must have Reasonable Suspicion or Probable Cause to stop/detain. No reason is required to have you exit the car. If I want to speak with you outside the car, you have to get out. During a traffic stop, most officers leave you in the car for your own safety. If you lie about anything, you've prolonged the stop and upped the anty until we find out why. I ask EVERYONE I stop if they have any weapons, it's a safety issue for both of us. It has nothing to do with what sticker you have displayed. "Support you local Sheriff" stickers seem to appear on more bad guy's cars than good guys. Bottom line, I try to be professional and respectful and ask that you are too. I'm not after your guns or your money, just doing the job I elected to do. Thanks for you question.

I think "tier1, teir 3 etc" are terms limited to those specially trained on "You Tube"

 

[Ken Ford]

i just answer as little as possible as vaguely as possible

I bet that calms everything down real fast?

 

[Laxguy59]

I think "tier1, teir 3 etc" are terms limited to those specially trained on "You Tube"

Or courts of law and what not

 

[Ken Ford]

So I got a speeding ticket last Sunday and I was surprised when the officer asked for my registration. I said. "I don't want to alarm you, but my gun is in the glove compartment where my registration is"He said, "What type of gun is it?"I said "Glock""Is it in a holster""yes""Is there one in the chamber?""yes"He said, "open the glove compartment slowly and remove the firearm""OKay, where do you want me to put it?""For my safety I would like to unload it, then we'll just leave it on the dash" I handed it to him since he wasn't going to run the numbers and it was really a light seizure since he was going to leave it on my dash. Otherwise I may have objected depending on the circumstances. He then asked if I had a carry permit, I said yes and he asked to see itAt the end of the ticket(no warning that bastard, and I work with tons of cops and tried to make my work ID visible{it hangs from my rearview mirror}) he said, "You did everything exactly right with the gun, you didn't have to hand it to me, but I felt safer unloading it myself"He went on to talk about his support of gun rights, asked me about my job since he saw some of the stuff in my carI did mention to him that I didn't have any reason to show my carry permit, but didn't mind and he admitted that he didn't have to see it but again it made him more comfortable to know I had it and that it was partly why he didn't mind leaving it on my dash. I left feeling a bit relieved and angered. one part of me was happy that he didn't make to big a deal out of it or treat me like a criminal, the other mad because he asked for the gun and ID in a commanding tone admittedly knowing he was not entitled to do either. I had hoped it was a mistaken belief of his, but he actually knew both were beyond my legal duty. Had he said "You don't have to but it would make me more comfortable" I certainly would have obliged, but it's actions like he took that make me want to "take back the right" since it seemed fairly common place for him to take advantage of people's lack of knowledge or nervousness around police officers. Again my job puts me in a situation where I work with many officers of the law, so I empathize with their desire for safety, but I would rather them be honest and upfront about those issues rather than cloaking them as a lawful order.Also $256 for a 19 over.... sucks that was money for the PSL I wanted but now I'm going to have to hold off.

OK his people skills were not to your likening, but you volunteered everything that you are objecting to. How would you "Take back your rights"?

 

[Ken Ford]

Or courts of law and what not

Those terms are not used in courts in Georgia, or any of the several states I have lived and worked. Where did you learn those terms? Honestly?

 

[chucklenut]

I bet that calms everything down real fast?

usually things dont get heated to begin with

and ya, how are you going to get angry with someone who isnt talking much

yes and no is about all i say

 

[roryred]

I said it was a safety issue for both of us. This means that it doesn't surprise me when you open the glove box for your insurance card and a weapon falls out. I don't react by stepping backwards into traffic while drawing thinking that you are drawing. The driver doesn't accidently get shot and I don't get ran over. I did not imply that a dangerous criminal would answer honestly but you would really be surprised to know how many do and how many more give themselves away by being poor liars.

I've never come up with this concisely worded logic but this seems reasonable and along the liens of what I think.

Rory
not a LEO

 

[DZSTL1]

I've never come up with this concisely worded logic but this seems reasonable and along the liens of what I think.

Rory
not a LEO

Thanks. I've only been doing this for a little over 15 years and actually had a two open their glove box and a pistol fell out. One caught it and for that split second I thought he might use it. The other let it hit the floorboard. Luckily I was never hit by a car while stepping back, but was also glad I did not freeze to be a stationary target either. Still it's a great job. Bottom line is you start out with a full bag of luck and an empty bag of experience. You try to fill the bag of experience before the bag of luck runs out.